New Pew Forum poll says Catholics leave church over moral doctrines

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“When asked to explain in their own words the main reason for leaving the Catholic Church, about half cite a disagreement with the church’s religious or moral beliefs. For those now unaffiliated, about half were unhappy about birth control, 56 percent about teachings on abortion and homosexuality, and 40 percent about the treatment of women.”

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If those so called “Catholics” refuse to submit to the Gospel of Life they can leave and stop creating scandal. Conform or get out. I am sick and tired of pro-choice Catholics who carried Obama into office. People have forgotten that they should conform their lives to the Gospels and not the Gospels to their own personal beliefs.
 
Love_is_Patient said:
csmonitor.com/2009/0428/p02s01-ussc.html

“When asked to explain in their own words the main reason for leaving the Catholic Church, about half cite a disagreement with the church’s religious or moral beliefs. For those now unaffiliated, about half were unhappy about birth control, 56 percent about teachings on abortion and homosexuality, and 40 percent about the treatment of women.”

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And we trust this poll becaaause??..
 
Not surprising. Can’t tell you how many people I know who were devout until they were divorced and then had a “sudden revelation” that remarriage and birth control are good things. Interesting timing don’t you think?
 
CapIV said:
Not surprising. Can’t tell you how many people I know who were devout until they were divorced and then had a “sudden revelation” that remarriage and birth control are good things. Interesting timing don’t you think?
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Exactly my thoughts. The Church is right…until it is contrary to one’s particular desire to sin. Obedience is a bad word in today’s society. The idea that there is an absolute Truth is an anathema to our culture of relativism. Our Church may shrink in size, but the Truth will be preserved.
 
Wow. I hope this poll is wrong. Cause if it is true, that is really sad.
 
I wanted to post the Catholic News Service article on the same study “Faith in Flux study tells why people change religions”, because it is a more balanced report of the same information, stresses positives and negatives and even draws some different conclusions, and in keeping with this forum is a Catholic source
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0901903.htm

one tidbit that did not make it in other summaries of the study is this: many people are reverting back to childhood or cultural faith roots, after years in a different denomination or even different religion. my uninformed guess is this is a little recognized and little studied phenom but my albeit limited experience bears out this trend.

in RCIA over 20 years, but as a catechist and director only 9, I have been surprised by the fact that the majority of our non-Catholic candidates have one or both parents who were baptized Catholic. Often the candidate had no idea of this until the topic of their conversion was brought up to their family members. The others often turn out to have at least one Catholic grandparent. This is not only among families where members turned to more cultish faiths like JW, but also mainline Protestants, and unchurched persons. It is a given that in our SoTex culture just about anyone with a Hispanic surname has Catholic family roots, so that is not really surprising, but it seems true in all ethnic groups. Even and especially Baptists (our other majority faith down here) which to me is surprising since in the South those roots are usually several generations deep.

this again is unscientific, but in my avocation (local history) working in close contact with Jewish community groups I have heard several times the speculation that non-observant Jews seem to be returning to their religious roots, not only later in life, but children of “secular” Jews who were not brought up in the religious and cultural practices, or the grandchildren, seem to be returning to conservative or even Orthodox life and practice.

so I throw this out for additional discussion for what it’s worth.
 
rlg94086 said:
Exactly my thoughts. The Church is right…until it is contrary to one’s particular desire to sin. Obedience is a bad word in today’s society. The idea that there is an absolute Truth is an anathema to our culture of relativism. Our Church may shrink in size, but the Truth will be preserved.
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Whether it’s shrinking overall is debatable. It seems to be growing by leaps in countries like Africa.

Highly recommended reading: Dinesh DeSouza’s ‘What’s so Great About Christianity.’
 
After Jesus told His disciple they would have to eat His flesh and drink His blood, 60 Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” (John (RSV) 6)

I think about that verse a lot. There are a lot of “hard sayings” I’d rather not listen to and I imagine it’s the same for lots of other folk who rationalize their way around teachings they don’t like.
 
jay29 said:
If those so called “Catholics” refuse to submit to the Gospel of Life they can leave and stop creating scandal. Conform or get out. I am sick and tired of pro-choice Catholics who carried Obama into office. People have forgotten that they should conform their lives to the Gospels and not the Gospels to their own personal beliefs.
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I couldn’t agree more.You would not believe the number of people I used to work with who claimed to be Catholic,but NEVER went to mass,openly mocked Church teachings and who rapidly attempted to change the subject whenever I spoke of my Faith,the Mass, or attempted to give them Rosaries.Some of my own brothers fall into this category.

“Submit” or “Submission” is the perfect word. It IS what is required of us.If we claim to know Him and fail to keep His commandments-we are LIARS.
 
Love_is_Patient said:
csmonitor.com/2009/0428/p02s01-ussc.html

“When asked to explain in their own words the main reason for leaving the Catholic Church, about half cite a disagreement with the church’s religious or moral beliefs. For those now unaffiliated, about half were unhappy about birth control, 56 percent about teachings on abortion and homosexuality, and 40 percent about the treatment of women.”

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And once they find a church that suits them, the reasons become Mary, Papal infallibility, and confession.

They leave for moral reasons and know it, and convince themselves they are right with theological reasons.
 
puzzleannie said:
in RCIA over 20 years, but as a catechist and director only 9, I have been surprised by the fact that the majority of our non-Catholic candidates have one or both parents who were baptized Catholic. Often the candidate had no idea of this until the topic of their conversion was brought up to their family members. The others often turn out to have at least one Catholic grandparent.
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I can certainly vouch for that. When I was learning about the Catholic church, I was floored when, riding past the parish I chose to go to, my mom randomly tells her aunt (who’s also a Catholic), that she was baptised in that church. I knew my dad went to “another church” (Catholic Church), but I never fully understood what that meant when I was a kid. At the time, I thought it was the name of a church building. :o My Polish grandparent(s - only 1 living now) are both Catholic. On the other side, only my grandfather was Catholic (then he decided to go to an Episcopalian church so he could understand the service in English, but he had one daughter after he divorced that was raised Catholic.). My mom and my uncle were both baptised Catholic, but became Lutheran when they were kids after their parents divorced and lived with their Lutheran mother.

Needless to say, there was a pull that I then couldn’t explain in my relative’s Catholic churches that was missing in my old Lutheran church. That eventually (along with other things) led to me becoming Catholic.
 
Love_is_Patient said:
csmonitor.com/2009/0428/p02s01-ussc.html

“When asked to explain in their own words the main reason for leaving the Catholic Church, about half cite a disagreement with the church’s religious or moral beliefs. For those now unaffiliated, about half were unhappy about birth control, 56 percent about teachings on abortion and homosexuality, and 40 percent about the treatment of women.”

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They don’t believe that their pastors believe these policies. When was the last time you heard a homily that discussed the notion that contraception is intrinsically evil?
 
Probably within the last month–what with watching EWTN and our VERY orthodox priests from Africa.
 
I’m not at all surprised. It makes sense. Those who leave the Church 1) didn’t really know their Catholic faith 2) didn’t really live their Catholic faith and 3) had gotten into some sort of moral crisis in their lives.

All I can say to 'em is, “Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya.”

Life is all about choices…and consequences.

Scooby
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