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MaryT777
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Have a private conversation with a priest would indeed give the priest a chance to explain.
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LongingSoul
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I can only sincerely recommend the attitude shown to me by my Catholic parents and grandparents of being faithful to a parish community despite the foibles and flavours of each passing Priest.
The Priest of course is an important element of each parish but the community and continuity that can only come from the family which is a parish or a diocese or the whole Catholic faithful, is what really makes us ‘Church’.
Over my 53 years of practicing Catholicism there’ve been numerous periods of not really liking or trusting the parish Priest. Contributing to the parish community has always been a higher duty taught and demonstrated to me by my faithful parents who were always really active in the 3 different parishes in three different towns they lived in over my lifetime of knowing them.
The Priest of course is an important element of each parish but the community and continuity that can only come from the family which is a parish or a diocese or the whole Catholic faithful, is what really makes us ‘Church’.
Over my 53 years of practicing Catholicism there’ve been numerous periods of not really liking or trusting the parish Priest. Contributing to the parish community has always been a higher duty taught and demonstrated to me by my faithful parents who were always really active in the 3 different parishes in three different towns they lived in over my lifetime of knowing them.
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Inquiringperson
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But that’s the problem. The priest isn’t obeying the rules when it comes to communion. According to the priest’s bosses, communion on the tongue is always an option in the Latin Church, provided one is not in a grave public obstinate sin.
To the OP, if you talk to the pastor about this issue, bring it up respectfully. Say, “Father, how come you don’t want us to receive on the tongue now?” and “Father, was there a lack of adorers for First Friday Adoration? I can try to help bring adorers to Adoration if you bring it back”. Be charitable too if your pastor gives a snarky answer.
If Father still refuses to provide communion on the tongue, then write a letter to the Bishop mentioning this issue, along with the penitential rite.
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jilly4ski
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Of course, our reason also tells us that our hands are hosts to a multitude of bacteria and viruses which can transmit diseases and that there is a lot of accidental touching of peoples’ hands while distributing communion in the hands. Therefore, using the logic presented in your post and mine, if there is a deadly contagious virus circulating the local population, then shouldn’t communion of the faithful be suspended all together, so has not to contribute to the spread of disease?
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LongingSoul
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Whether it’s scientific or not, there is a general perception that the direct exchange of saliva or other bodily fluids is more of a risk than a secondary exchange. Mono for instance is more transferable through kissing than through normal non intimate exchanges between people.
Perhaps that is modern legend but it does seem to be supported by medical evidence.
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Vico
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Read here about how the Bishop has the power to make adaptations including no reception of communion on the tongue:
wdtprs.com/blog/2014/02/ask-father-can-a-bishop-forbid-communion-on-the-tongue-during-an-epidemic/
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EasterJoy
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In our parish, I’d talk to some people on the pastoral council and ask what’s afoot. With something this extreme, I would expect the pot was fairly stirred up already without my help. Sometimes, new priests come in and unwisely allow themselves to be “steered” by the first ones waiting to meet him at the door. Other times, a new pastor might come in and rashly decide to make these big changes without asking anybody. You just can’t know, when the changes are so sudden and extensive. Let’s say it is next to impossible that you are the only one who has “noticed.” Make an effort to understand what is going on before you decide how to deal with it.
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EasterJoy
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That refers to the decision of a bishop, and the bans were a response to a serious yet temporary epidemic. The only epidemic here seems to be a likely epidemic in calls and letters to the chancery office, addressed to the vicar for clergy.
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Graceful_Lamb
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Honestly, if it were me, I think I would definitely consider changing parishes. The priest is pushing teachings that are not necessarily accurate. If the OP is looking to raise his/her kids in the Catholic faith and with the proper teaching, I don’t think that he/she would be out of line in leaving the parish.
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adrift
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I read what you linked twice and cannot figure out how you came up with your statement especially after I read
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Father Z states that he “thinks” a bishop can not do this. Can not does not mean he has the power to make adaptions. Father Z also states that
He goes on to speculate
This is not the same as saying a bishop ha the power to make adaptions. The article refutes it.
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Vico
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Yes. There is not enough information provided to understand what is going on.
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Hoosier_Daddy
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So instead you want to teach them if the Priest does not follow the rules of the Authority of the Church, follow him anyway?
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eamonnroma
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I would be interested to know what is the problem with the penitential rite?
Regarding the other issues. Surely it is better to talk to the priest before involving the bishop and so on?
I would not agree with moving to another parish. A parish community is central to our life of prayer in the Church. In a marriage you do not get out of the marriage because something is uncomfortable. Maybe it would be better to try to heal the problem from within the parish community.
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808Catholic
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OP,
I’d suggest you sit down with the priest and try to get his point of view first before doing anything. There are a ton of missing parts to this story and we should remember our vow to obedience to the Church; for your case, that’s this priest. There is a hierarchy that might need to be alerted but I strongly recommend you approach this with respect and love. All priest represent Christ during the Mass and the Sacraments. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt until we find out differently. God Bless you.
I’d suggest you sit down with the priest and try to get his point of view first before doing anything. There are a ton of missing parts to this story and we should remember our vow to obedience to the Church; for your case, that’s this priest. There is a hierarchy that might need to be alerted but I strongly recommend you approach this with respect and love. All priest represent Christ during the Mass and the Sacraments. Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt until we find out differently. God Bless you.
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pianistclare
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Yup.
And yes, what is the problem with the penitential Rite?
Conversations with the Bishop almost always are not appreciated. If you talk to the Bishop, COUNT on finding another parish. There might be a possibility that this priest was sent there precisely to do what he is doing. Ever thought of that? This happens. We had a Monsignor at a former parish I worked at that was there for 35 years. 35 years. So the new, young priest that was sent changed EVERYTHING. At the expressed instruction of the Bishop. You can imagine how that went over. People got into screaming matches, people started putting monopoly money in the collection with notes that read “when you send us a real priest, we’ll give real money”.
But the priest was following orders.
Change is hard.
So far, I don’t really see anything that warrants an exodus. You can always start a petition for Adoration to return weekly. That’s a fairly benign request and speaks to the Spirituality of the parishioners.
The communion issue? Believe it or not, many people receive in the hand. I don’t personally, but people are allowed to do this. I think teaching your children to defy the priest is worse. Children very quickly rebel against religion in their teen years and when going off to college. You probably don’t want them throwing this in your face when they don’t like something.
Look/ Every time there is a new priest someone gets offended. That’s how it works. People think it’s THEIR church, THEY get to make the big decisions. It’s the Bishop’s prerogative, and surely, SURELY he knew what this priest was like when he sent him.
I’d spend some time in prayer discerning why he was sent.
But running off or running to the Bishop will get you nowhere. It just builds on a feeling of resentment and division. Don’t go down that road. It’s so not worth it.
Pray for him, befriend him, try to understand what’s really going on.
in other words, give it time. 6 weeks is not enough.
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mountee
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Personally, I believe that the respectful and fair way to deal with anyone when you have a disagreement is to speak with that person first and allow them the opportunity to explain their position to you. If you are not satsfied after that then take it higher up.
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Dulcinea2721
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Essentially, he is not following the appropriate formula. Another thread called “penitentiary rite” (thanks auto correct) if you want more.
While I agree with your analogy with marriage, I am committed to my family and raising my kids. I am not certain I cam spare the time and energy to right these things. They seem egregious to me.
Thank you for your response
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Mike_Dye
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While he has the right to cancel First Friday adoration, he does not have an option on how Mass should be celebrated. I would ask for an explanation and inform him that you have every intention of contacting the Bishop.
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