New priest - - I fear he might be liberal

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First, I will explain that I’m a fairly new Catholic so I don’t know all the rules for stuff like vestments (I’ll explain in a second). And I also want to point out that I am the last person to criticize priests - - I stood up for my former priest several times when people were criticizing him behind his back.

The first time I went to a Mass presided over by the new parish priest, I noticed that he was wearing his robe and the stole but no colored poncho-type thing over all that (sorry I don’t know the term). Last year, I recall a young seminarian criticizing the local priests who don’t wear the “poncho”. Also, in one of the prayers during Communion where we (the congregation) participate, the priest replaces “He” and “His” for God and God’s (ie. " . . . for our good and all of God’s church . . ." etc.). I have some friends who do that and it always irritates me when I sit the same pew because I know their views and they talk about God supposedly having a feminine side. It always offends me and I’m a woman! The first homily I heard from him was about how we need to be inclusive of others and he mentioned it in the context of other religions. Then this week, he mentioned we should pray for all the people who lost loved ones from Sept. 11th and then he added we should pray for the terrorists too!!!??? :confused: I can’t wrap my head around that. Shouldn’t I be praying for our troops’ safety and praying for them to win their battles which would actually mean that I’m actually praying for the terrorists to be killed???

Thanks for your help with this difficult issue - - as a new Catholic I just don’t know if I’m making a big deal over nothing or what. If I were still a Protestant, I’d just leave and find a new church but I don’t know if that’s what Catholics ought to do. There is a very orthodox parish in another neighborhood that I attend sometimes on weekdays and the priests there are so different and unafraid to speak the truth about things like abortion, homosexuality and morals. If I do leave and go to that parish, there’s a complication that I slated to teach catechism at my home parish.
 
However, he is not permitted to replace masculine pronouns that are in the official, approved, translation with “God” or “God’s” etc. That clearly contravenes the instructions in Redemptionis Sacramentum that arbitrary changes to the words that the priest is charged to pronounce must cease.
 
You are not making a big deal. Actually as a new Catholic this is impressive you are picking up all these details and you are correct about everything.

Well, you’ve got one of those “progressive” priests. They are slowly (agonizingly slowly) reaching retirement age and fading away.

If you hadn’t mentioned the class, I’d say jump over to that more normal parish because you might feel more comfortable and learn more from that other priest. However, now I’m thinking a parish like this probably needs someone like you, especially teaching.

No word of the Mass, not one single word, may be changed.
 
Rudolfo said:
How do you know? Hell exists for a reason.
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But remember, people send themselves to hell. God doesn’t desire that, but since time doesn’t exist in the after-life, if you have a mortal sin that isn’t confessed, you go to hell.
 
Rudolfo said:
How do you know? Hell exists for a reason.
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We are to love our enemies. If Christ told us to do that wouldn’t He do it? God wants the best for everyone and probably wishes with His whole being that Osama would have repented and turned away from violence. Christ is willing to go after all lost sheep, even those who have strayed extremely far. He died for Osama in the same way He died for you. We can only pray that God will have mercy and show Osama His love ( and purgatory for a long time 👍) However, I don’t expect to find Osama in Heaven as He went against love, Christ, God, his conscience, and even Allah and Islam. So, Osama could be in Heaven, but he probably isn’t.
 
never forget:

“liberal Catholics are the worst enemies of the Church.”
 
Rudolfo said:
How do you know? Hell exists for a reason.
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God wishes for everyone to come to repentance… hell is for the demons, not for people 😦 people only go there because they don’t repent. Jesus died such a painful death on the Cross so that people would be able to go to Heaven; it’s tragic that many are still lost - through their free will. So we need to pray for them.
 
FatHead said:
never forget:

“liberal Catholics are the worst enemies of the Church.”
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From whom does that quote come? It surprises me. I was thinking the worst enemy of the Church might be someone else . . . let me think . . . . who could that be . . . . let me tap the old noggin . . . could it be . . . SATAN!?!?

:tiphat: SNL

Pax,
OA
 
to the OP 🙂

I think referring to God in a “gender neutral” way is probably more liberal and I don’t think it’s allowed, - but certainly it’s not liberal to pray for our enemies… that is the most charitable thing to do 🙂 as for the chausable, - sadly I don’t have enough knowledge on that. Try to avoid any judgemental thoughts about the priest, if you find it difficult being in the parish maybe switch to a different one, if it’s really interfering with your spiritual growth there. (I don’t think that makes you more Protestant?? I mean it’s ideal to be in your home parish in your area, yes. But one time I lived in a city where my parish was extremely liberal and there was even liturgical abuse involving the Eucharist 😦 a little further away was an FSSP traditional Latin Mass parish… of course I went to the FSSP parish: they are very orthodox. So it depends. I don’t think we should “parish shop” to find one we simply LIKE best. But if there are issues with Church teaching or liturgical abuse, that are ongoing, sometimes it might be detrimental to spiritual growth there).

But in the Mass, try to just focus on Jesus in the Eucharist and don’t lose your peace. As for the statement about being inclusive to people of other religions, I suppose it depends on what is meant. Charitable, yes. Inclusive? People use this word in all sorts of ways.

God bless
 
Orleans_Attny said:
From whom does that quote come? It surprises me. I was thinking the worst enemy of the Church might be someone else . . . let me think . . . . who could that be . . . . let me tap the old noggin . . . could it be . . . SATAN!?!?

:tiphat: SNL

Pax,
OA
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Do you think maybe Satan led Catholics to be liberal??
 
sistermouse said:
Do you think maybe Satan led Catholics to be liberal??
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I think that sometimes I have difficultly discerning what people mean when they use terms like “liberal” or “progressive.” Those words have acquired the characteristics of an epithet, at least around here, but I suspect that what one person finds “liberal” another might find appropriate. But that’s true with most generalizations - if you permit me to make one.

Pax,
OA
 
TedDC said:
How do you know that Christ said it?
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two things: 1) He said it through his church and 2) how else would you interpretate statments about the place where there’s “wailing and grinding of teeth”?
 
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