New SanFran Bishop ! IS Benedict Conservative?

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Jaypeeto4:
What’s going on in Rome???
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Good question…I am at a loss…I have no answer for you. :confused:
 
In Spain we have had a wide dossier about bishop nominations and bishops very problematic, please be faithful, pray for the new priest and hope.
Greetings
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
:confused: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/16/MNGAKG93S21.DTL&type=printable

Take a look at the man our supposedly conservative Pope has just named as the new Archbishop of San Francisco. He has a long paper trail, so this cannot be unknown to Ratzinger.
What’s going on in Rome???
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There aren’t that many Priests and Bishops out there right now who are like Bishop Bruskewicz, so we have to take the best we can get. It takes a LOT for a man to even become Bishop anyway… they don’t just ordain Monsignors since it is the logical stepping stone. How about we pray for the new Archbishop and our Holy Father, rather than immediately leap to skepticism and condemnation.
 
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BillyT92679:
There aren’t that many Priests and Bishops out there right now who are like Bishop Bruskewicz, so we have to take the best we can get. It takes a LOT for a man to even become Bishop anyway… they don’t just ordain Monsignors since it is the logical stepping stone. How about we pray for the new Archbishop and our Holy Father, rather than immediately leap to skepticism and condemnation.
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Everytime I log in, it seems like I’m reminded how lucky I am to live in Lincoln. God Bless Bishop Bruskewicz!
 
It would be a lie to say I’m not absolutely shocked, confused, scandalized, and saddened to read about this new bishop named by our Pope. BUT I agree with all who said we need to pray rather than jump to conclusions.

Our Church is in the grips of the devil right now. he won’t win, because the Lord promised he wouldn’t. But Our Church is suffering like it never has before in Her history. Our current state of affairs seems worse than even the Arian heresy, in which 95% of all bishops denied Christ was God, and those who held true were excommunicated. This lasted for 60 years before the Truth came back!

We’re going through the same thing right now. Modernism, sexual immorality, and indifference have found their way into the Church, and bishops are not immune! Indeed, many of them tend to be the promoters of these heresies. Therefore, we must pray pray pray! And Our Lord will not leave us in this state. His Church will prevail!

Pray for the Holy Father, and try not to jump to conclusions about him. From everything I’ve heard and read, he is an extremely holy man who puts God first in everything. I can promise you he doesn’t take homosexuality lightly. We don’t know what kind of personal conversation may have taken place between him and this new bishop. Perhaps Benedict told him he better straighten up or else-- you never know.

The Holy Father needs our prayers, not our speculations and condemnations. The Bark of Peter seems to have many leaks right now, and indeed sometimes seems to be almost sunk-- but take heart! The Lord Jesus and His Church will prevail!

May the Lord be with you.
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
May the Lord be with you.
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…and also with you.

I don’t believe the Pope consciously know and intentionally assign this bishop. I just know something is missing.
 
I believe that the election of a corrupt Bishop is punishment for sin. We get what we ask for. It’s because of Catholic unorthodoxy is the reason why we get corrupt priests elected to the episcobacy.
 
We have to remember this. Generally bishops are appointed within a region. Thus a western bishop had to be named to a western archdiocese. In this case, this guy was probably the best we could expect. Give it five to ten years when these un-orthodox men are over age.

God Bless
 
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cathgal:
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Uh,

Et cum spiritu tuo (and with your spirit) is the correct response.🙂
Thanx to our Americn Catholic bishops, we all have it wrong.:mad:
 
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NWUArmyROTC:
We have to remember this. Generally bishops are appointed within a region. Thus a western bishop had to be named to a western archdiocese. In this case, this guy was probably the best we could expect. Give it five to ten years when these un-orthodox men are over age.

God Bless
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Generally yes, but not always.

The Archbishop-designate is someone known to Roger Mahony. Mahony may have had some (name removed by moderator)ut into this decision, and that is not good.

Bishop Olmstead of Phoenix came from Wichita, Kansas. He was not recommended by Mahony.

Now, how do I know that?

Bishop Olmstead has introduced the Traditional Latin Mass in several parished in his dioceses, and they are well-attended.

Bishop Olmstead demanded and obtained the resignations of several priests accused of abuse.

Bishop Olmstead has prayed the Rosary before abortion clinics.

Bishop Olmstead is an orthodox Catholic Bishop, and soon the Phoenix Diocese will blossom, just as in Denver and in the Nebraska dioceses.
 
icnp.com/bishop.html

Here is a link to the Intermountain Catholic newspaper and an interview with Bishop Niederauer. Please read some of the interviews and give him a chance before you start calling him corrupt! I am so upset right now that he has been called corrupt that I’m crying!!! How dare some of you judge him already! We here in Utah are heartbroken that we are losing him and some of you are acting very ungreatful! Don’t judge him on one interview or one issue. Give him a chance first, read his book, listen to his homilies and see how he handles his new office. Pray for him and, after a while if you don’t like him, we would love to take him back in a heartbeat.

Maggie
 
UtahMaggie said:
icnp.com/bishop.html

Here is a link to the Intermountain Catholic newspaper and an interview with Bishop Niederauer. Please read some of the interviews and give him a chance before you start calling him corrupt! I am so upset right now that he has been called corrupt that I’m crying!!! How dare some of you judge him already! We here in Utah are heartbroken that we are losing him and some of you are acting very ungreatful! Don’t judge him on one interview or one issue. Give him a chance first, read his book, listen to his homilies and see how he handles his new office. Pray for him and, after a while if you don’t like him, we would love to take him back in a heartbeat.

Maggie
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Okay,
I just read the interview and I’m just as worried about this guy as I was before . . . perhaps moreso because now I know the SF Gate wasn’t making it up.

He talks about homosexual orientation as if it’s as natural as having blonde hair. Did we forget that homosexual orientations are intrisically disordered and that acting on homosexual tendancies is intrinsically evil, i.e., a mortal sin? A sin that, left unconfessed, will send one to hell?

Lord Jesus, come back soon!
 
This is all quoted directly from the pieta prayer book:

Criticisms of Priests
Our Lord’s revelation to Mutter Vogel

“One should never attack a priest,even when he’s in error. Rather, one should pray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace once again. He along fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after my example!”

“When a priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I Myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgement over a priest has voiced it over Me; child, never let a priest be attacked;take up his defense.”

“Never again accept and out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word(about them)EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE! Every priest is My Vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it! If you hear a judgement, pray a Hail Mary.”

Not saying anyone did critisize a priest here…just a thought…
 
Maybe Benedict is not as conservative as you would like to think? Or maybe he has decided that the way to tackle the “gay problem” is not to continously condemn it, but rather to try and understand it further, thus a bishop who finds it easy to talk to gays is probably a good decision.

So far I have seen nothing very concerning about this bishop, he seems to want to share the love of Christ with all - I would not write the bishop off yet.
 
Jaypeeto4 said:
:confused: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/16/MNGAKG93S21.DTL&type=printable

Take a look at the man our supposedly conservative Pope has just named as the new Archbishop of San Francisco. He has a long paper trail, so this cannot be unknown to Ratzinger.
What’s going on in Rome???
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The article says:​

“Some who are seriously mistaken have named sexual orientation as the cause of the recent scandal regarding the sexual abuse of minors by priests,” Niederauer said in the interview with the Intermountain Catholic News, which was published Monday.

His reference to “sexual orientation” stands in contrast to the Vatican instruction’s description of “persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies.”

However, in 1986, letter of the SCDF used the word “orientation” three times:

Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.
  1. An essential dimension of authentic pastoral care…
  2. It has been argued that the homosexual orientation…
  3. From this multi-faceted approach there are numerous advantages to be gained, not the least of which is the realization that a homosexual person, as every human being, deeply needs to be nourished at many different levels simultaneously.
The human person, made in the image and likeness of God, can hardly be adequately described by a reductionist reference to his or her sexual orientation.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

So the report is wrong - unless the teaching of the Church today is different from that of 19 years ago.

I don’t see a problem ##
 
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Libero:
Maybe Benedict is not as conservative as you would like to think?
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I think this is correct 🙂 - FWIW, I thought bishops, Roman or not, were meant to be Christian: not “conservative”. The Pharisees were good solid conservatives in many ways; the Sadducees were profoundly traditional & conservative (more so than the Pharisees, indeed) - but little good it did them. Jesus did not praise for them for their conservatism - He tore strips off them, because they were blind to things more important than their religious POV allowed them to see. “Conservatism” is not enough. It is relative to being Christian, just as “liberalism” & “progressivism” are. The moment they become absolutes is the moment they risk being mistaken for being Christian.​

As long as the man’s of sound life and sound teaching, he should be all right.

If there were no Net, would there be conservative attacks on bishops appointed by Rome ? 😛 ##
Or maybe he has decided that the way to tackle the “gay problem” is not to continously condemn it, but rather to try and understand it further, thus a bishop who finds it easy to talk to gays is probably a good decision.

So far I have seen nothing very concerning about this bishop, he seems to want to share the love of Christ with all - I would not write the bishop off yet.
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UtahMaggie said:
icnp.com/bishop.html

Here is a link to the Intermountain Catholic newspaper and an interview with Bishop Niederauer. Please read some of the interviews and give him a chance before you start calling him corrupt! I am so upset right now that he has been called corrupt that I’m crying!!! How dare some of you judge him already! We here in Utah are heartbroken that we are losing him and some of you are acting very ungreatful! Don’t judge him on one interview or one issue. Give him a chance first, read his book, listen to his homilies and see how he handles his new office. Pray for him and, after a while if you don’t like him, we would love to take him back in a heartbeat.

Maggie
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Its pretty clear to me from the interview about the recent Vatican document on homosexuals in seminary that he has little interest in strictly enforcing it. He very much seems to imply that its perfectly fine to have a homosexual orientation (since he says that one’s sexual orientation is an essential part of one’s personality) and be a priest as long as one has “affective maturity,” whatever that is. How sad. Oh well, I’m glad I don’t live in San Francisco.
 
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Homebrew_roots:
This is all quoted directly from the pieta prayer book:

Criticisms of Priests
Our Lord’s revelation to Mutter Vogel

“One should never attack a priest,even when he’s in error. Rather, one should pray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace once again. He along fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after my example!”

“When a priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I Myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgement over a priest has voiced it over Me; child, never let a priest be attacked;take up his defense.”

“Never again accept and out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word(about them)EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE! Every priest is My Vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it! If you hear a judgement, pray a Hail Mary.”

Not saying anyone did critisize a priest here…just a thought…
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Two things:

1.) attacking and criticizing are not the same thing. One can, and often should, constructively criticize in love. In fact, admonishing a sinner is a spiritual work of mercy. St. Teresa of Avila had no problem speaking her mind to bishops and the Pope.

2.) This is from a private revelation so its not binding anyway. Whether it is prudent advice is something each person must judge for himself.
 
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DreadVandal:
Its pretty clear to me from the interview about the recent Vatican document on homosexuals in seminary that he has little interest in strictly enforcing it. He very much seems to imply that its perfectly fine to have a homosexual orientation (since he says that one’s sexual orientation is an essential part of one’s personality) and be a priest as long as one has “affective maturity,” whatever that is. How sad. Oh well, I’m glad I don’t live in San Francisco.
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Yep, that’s what he says. And in another article in the same newspaper, so do Bishop William Skylstad of Spokane Wash. and Archbishop Timothy Dolan of Milwaukee, Bishop Matthew Clark of N.Y. The interview is on the same link above and is on page 1 and continues on page 10. Intermountain Catholic, vol. 67 No. 43. www.icnp.com
Also, Bishop Niederauer explains what “affective maturity” is in the article.
 
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