New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

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God brings order out of chaos, life out of death, goodness out of the most terrible sin.

I think it is important to remember that with regards this case.

O Happy fault that gained for us such a Redeemer.

All our prayers are needed. And perhaps our silence too, because this is what Fr Corapi should have done. Spent this time in silence with our Lord.
 
No, it also takes giant bold-faced type for a person to be innocent. FYI - Yes, there is also physical evidence, according to the SOLT.
Haha, exactly right. If you can’t use reason, go for volume!

Is it possible that Father Corapi is innocent? sure, it is. But the fact that the SOLT released a press statement like that with that amount of confidence, is well, pretty telling. I highly doubt they would make such a serious claim unless they had pretty substantial evidence to back it up.

In any case, no matter what the outcome, Fr Corapi, the SOLT, his accuser, and everyone involved needs our prayers.
 
Corapi is not innocent of disobedience to his order. He has been urged and now ordered to return to the order the took religious vows with, and he is ignoring those commands. Whatever else he may be guilty of, he is in rebellion. He is like a teenager who runs away and refuses to come home.
 
Indeed. :sad_yes:
Seems that there is something in this that has reached all of us in some way. For me, it is the military experience. I’ve sent Fr.'s talks to a few folks I know that are struggling and have considered introducing those talks into circles of the same kind of folks as he identified with. Now I’m glad I didn’t. It would have seriously damaged any chance with some of these people and it would have been a laughing stock. Fr. is an asset to the good fight and he is hurting badly. Praying for the best outcome. Samson
 
Haha, exactly right. If you can’t use reason, go for volume!

Is it possible that Father Corapi is innocent? sure, it is. But the fact that the SOLT released a press statement like that with that amount of confidence, is well, pretty telling. I highly doubt they would make such a serious claim unless they had pretty substantial evidence to back it up.

In any case, no matter what the outcome, Fr Corapi, the SOLT, his accuser, and everyone involved needs our prayers.
Agree completely. I can’t see a religious order issuing a statement of such substance without extreme confidence that what they were saying was accurate.

Regardless, your statement regarding the need for prayer is spot on. None of us has any right, nor reason, to pass judgment. But, each of us can effect change through prayer!
 
Which is an odd thing, because non-profits can and do talk about social and political issues. They can even advocate/lobby on behalf of them as a 501(c)4. I’ve applied for both a 501(c)3 and (c)4, and can tell you that many of them are devoted to the issues.
true

For Example Priests for Life is non profit…and that does not prevent Father Pavone from speaking on the horrors of abortion.
  1. Is Priests for Life funded by dioceses, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the Vatican?
No. Priests for Life is funded by the generous and regular contributions of individual laity and priests across the country. Priests for Life is a 501 (c) 3 organization and therefore donations are tax-deductible and are made out to “Priests for Life.” We raise our money mostly through direct-mail fundraising.
priestsforlife.org/faq/index.htm
 
His original Facebook page is in full meltdown mode at this very moment People are being blocked and their posts which are critical of Father C. removed. **Priests who have posted have been attacked and their posts blocked and the entire Jesuit order has been insulted by more than one person, not to mention Gonzaga university because it happens to be where the priest studied for his graduate work. ** Its like a scene from a movie in there.
That’s what really bugs me in this whole thing, is the people attacking priests who criticize what Corapi has done. Lewis Crusade Blog says they seem to say, “How Dare You Criticize a Priest, You Evil Priest!”
 
He didn’t say he was completely innocent, he said he did not have relations with the accuser.

He also said the following:

“They refuse to reveal, and therefore utilize, any of the so-called evidence perhaps because if ‘the bad guy’ were truly revealed it may be revealed that he is really not that bad.”

Not sure what that means although it could be an admission that he did some things wrong but perhaps not all the things alleged. It doesn’t sound like an outright denial or calm of complete innocence.
 
That’s what really bugs me in this whole thing, is the people attacking priests who criticize what Corapi has done. Lewis Crusade Blog says they seem to say, “How Dare You Criticize a Priest, You Evil Priest!”
Its actually more than that. You have had a few priests post on the FB page and ask very simple and modest questions. Then they were immediately descended on by one person in particular but several others as well. Now, this morning, you have the same people arguing with others who have posted saying things like “does Father really need a Church to minister to you?” or “we just have to trust Father no matter what the Church says”…

Its very scary and sad.

I’m actually getting to the point where I think Rome may have to get involved in some way. Things seem to be spiraling out of control and there are thousands of souls at stake.
 
Whether his superior’s findings are accurate or not there are several things that all of us must keep in mind.

Father Corapi is a human being. As such, he deserves respect, charity and forgiveness. St. Francis of Assisi wrote into one of our admonitions that if a brother sins we must never deny him forgiveness. If the brother does not ask for forgiveness, we should go to him and ask him if he wants our forgiveness. If the brother insists that he does not need our forgiveness (because he believes he’s innocent or above us), we must grant the forgiveness as Christ granted forgiveness to those who never asked for it. If the brother has not sin, the forgiveness is not wasted, because the grace of charity returns to us. If he is guilty, the forgiveness is truly necessary.

As far as those who keep bringing up the issue of obedience, I’m unsure why this continues to be brought up. If any Catholic does not fully understand the theology of religious obedience, I suggest that he or she read the Rule of St. Benedict. St. Benedict is the father of religious obedience. All models of religious obedience are based on his theology, which is very well articulated in his rule. Instead of second guessing what obedience should be or as someone did on a blog who quoted Aquinas, go to the source, St. Benedict. Even Aquinas was not talking about religious life when he speaks about obedience. Quoting him is out of context.

Benedict made it very clear that once one promises obedience to the superior, one surrenders one’s will, one’s wishes, one’s goals, one’s thoughts, one’s gifts and all that one has or is. It is all handed over to Christ who speaks through the superior. Benedict does not get into the nonsense that 20th century Catholics get into, “What if the superior is a sinner?” or “What if the superior is wrong?” Benedict made it clear that the efficacy of the vow of obedience lays not in the virtue of the superior or in his wisdom. That and $1.50 will get you a ride on a city bus. The efficacy of obedience lays in the act of submission on the part of the person who obeys. When we obey a superior, we give up a lot and we do so out of love, not because the superior is wise or right. The superior can be a fool and totally wrong. The virtue is found in our willingness to submit to one who is a fool and may be wrong, because we love Jesus Christ so much that we want to do exactly as he did when he was on trial before Pilate. Obedience is an act of love. Love always has a price.

Someone posted that Bl. John Paul II ordered Father to go out and preach; therefore the superior cannot trump the pope’s orders. There are two errors here. One is canonical and the other is historical. Let’s first deal with the canonical issue. A religious superior can trump a pope, if the pope’s mandate is not given under obedience. If the pope says to a newly ordained priest, “I want you to go out to evangelize the world,” and the religious superior find that this command is not in the best interest of the individual and of his community, he can rescind that request. It only becomes an order binding under obedience when the pope puts it in writing and gives it to the major superior. The pope would have to say to the major superior that he wants this man for this purpose.

Let’s look at the historical error. Father himself has said that at the time of his ordination, the major superior told him to make preaching and teaching his ministry rather than serving in a parish. The reason was that he is too talented to waste in a parish. It was not the pope. It was the superior who gave him this mandate. The mandate is perfectly legitimate. However, if the constitutions allow it, the incoming superior can annul every command given by the incumbent. Father has repeatedly said that the founder gave him this mandate. He has never said that the successor does not have the canonical right to change the mandate. To the best of my knowledge, there are only three founders whose mandates can never be annulled or abrogated: Benedict, Augustine and Francis of Assisi. It would take an act by the Apostolic See to go over their heads. Their successors are stuck with what these guys left us. Every other founder is replaced by his successors and his commands cease to be binding unless the successor reaffirms them. Even Albert, who wrote the Carmelite Rule, did not include absolute commands in the rule. It’s a highly theological and spiritual document. The General Chapter is the highest Carmelite authority, not Albert. This means that the Prior General has the authority to impose and implement whatever the General Chapter decides. It’s the same for the SOLT.

Because the SOLT is a society of apostolic life of diocesan right, the founder does not have perpetual authority. His successor can make changes. The General Chapter can make changes and the Bishop of Corpus Christi must approve. In a religious order or a congregation of Pontifical Right, it is the Holy See that must approve of changes in the statutes that govern them.

Whether or not the bishop and the superior like Father Corapi, it’s a tough situation. The Church is on their side. It falls on Father Corapi to appeal. However, I’m having trouble imagining any judge feeling sympathetic to a person who broadcasts that the Church’s legal system is flawed and calls them Kangaroo Courts or some such thing all over the internet.

I can also understand the superior of the SOLT. He has to protect the good name of his society. It is one thing for a member to leave and another for a member to get everyone angry at them.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
:clapping::clapping:

As always.
 
Its actually more than that. You have had a few priests post on the FB page and ask very simple and modest questions. Then they were immediately descended on by one person in particular but several others as well. Now, this morning, you have the same people arguing with others who have posted saying things like **“does Father really need a Church to minister to you?” **or **“we just have to trust Father no matter what the Church says”… **

Its very scary and sad.

I’m actually getting to the point where I think Rome may have to get involved in some way. Things seem to be spiraling out of control and there are thousands of souls at stake.
Lord have mercy. 😦
 
Corapi is not innocent of disobedience to his order. He has been urged and now ordered to return to the order the took religious vows with, and he is ignoring those commands. Whatever else he may be guilty of, he is in rebellion.
This is true, as has been pointed out he can only refuse that order if the order required him to do something sinful. He has provided no such explanation to date. Obviously he is under no legal (us legal system) obligation to follow the order, but he is due to his religious promises.
He is like a teenager who runs away and refuses to come home.
I would add to your analogy that the “parents” never provided any discipline in the past and now have decided to start acting like parents. Never the less acting like parents now is still the right thing to do.
 
Seems that there is something in this that has reached all of us in some way. For me, it is the military experience. I’ve sent Fr.'s talks to a few folks I know that are struggling and have considered introducing those talks into circles of the same kind of folks as he identified with. Now I’m glad I didn’t. It would have seriously damaged any chance with some of these people and it would have been a laughing stock. Fr. is an asset to the good fight and he is hurting badly. Praying for the best outcome. Samson
Samson, praying for those you have concerns over. And praying that the Lord will show you a different way of helping them

God Bless.
 
Its actually more than that. You have had a few priests post on the FB page and ask very simple and modest questions. Then they were immediately descended on by one person in particular but several others as well. Now, this morning, you have the same people arguing with others who have posted saying things like “does Father really need a Church to minister to you?” or “we just have to trust Father no matter what the Church says”…

Its very scary and sad.

I’m actually getting to the point where I think Rome may have to get involved in some way. Things seem to be spiraling out of control and there are thousands of souls at stake.
Be cautious with all of that. It’s easy to fake identities on the internet. Sock puppets and the use of multiple names to hide one’s identity (and one’s agenda) is a given.

I look at the FB page for the whole BS-dog thing. Minimal followers at best all things considered.

This hasn’t made the national or international news. There is no reason for Rome to get involved. In the big picture, it’s a dust up in a niche of the Catholic Church in America. Nothing more, IMHO.
 
Many of us were fans of Father John’s but with the SOLT declaring him ‘unfit for ministry’ that’s the end of this for now. Someone recently made the point that all this hero worship now just enables him.

imo with all the talk and threats of lawsuits in this case we all own SOLT a debt of gratitude for going out on a ledge like this. I guess they’re attempting to save some from following a false prophet.

Father John would benefit more from your prayers. And pray for all priests while your at it…so they can resist temptation.
 
Be cautious with all of that. It’s easy to fake identities on the internet. Sock puppets and the use of multiple names to hide one’s identity (and one’s agenda) is a given.
Potentially. The people doing the attacking could certainly be one person but I honestly doubt it. It is very easy to look at their profiles on Facebook and see that they have years of membership, posts, different friends and family affiliation, etc.

As for the rest you may be right,and I hope you are.
 
:eek:

Without Christ, this is just a house on sand. I bet in a month his support will have been eroded. God willing, he turn back and stop this charade…

Otherwise, he’ll just devolve into some sort of Glenn Beck.
You mean he’ll become a Mormon? 😃
 
V. The Angel of the Lord declared unto Mary.
R. And she conceived of the Holy Spirit.
Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with Thee;
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. Amen
V. Behold the handmaid of the Lord.
R. Be it done unto me according to thy word.
Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with Thee;
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. Amen
V. And the Word was made Flesh.
R. And dwelt among us.
Hail Mary, full of grace,
The Lord is with Thee;
Blessed art thou among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death. Amen
V. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
LET US PRAY
Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the Incarnation of Christ Thy Son was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection. Through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.

I Challenge everyone - find another Catholic at 3pm today and say the Angelus - or if not say it by yourself - proclaim obedience at the Holy Hour. God bless - Pax et Bonum.
 
You read my mind! I was just thinking, “I’m tired of this man, this situation, this scandal – I just wish he and all of it would just go away.”

And I confess, I’m also tired of praying for him. I pray mostly for those he has and is deceiving, and I pray for SOLT and the bishops, and I pray for our dear Church which is enduring it all. And then I force myself to say a prayer for Fr. Corapi because it is the Christian thing to do. But I’m embarrassed to admit… I’m just not feeling it anymore. I’m angry. I’d like to think it is righteous anger. But its anger nonetheless.
i don’t see what was such a surprise about this announcement. he is simply repeating that he is innocent.
i am tired of him also and the scandal and what might happen next. this incident is hurting so many people. i am also angry and sad. there is a sense of being betrayed or conned and we face that enough in the secular part of society, but when it happens with a member of the priesthood and someone of the prominence of father corapi, it is even more disappointing. i definitely won’t be running to the bookstore to buy his autobiography.
 
Bro. JR,

As always, thank you. Giving us the facts on how religious life works, is governed etc etc has been invaluable to many of us in understanding this and keeping the right perspective.

Esp those of us who, being American, tend to try and put an over-lay of American justice and “rights” over everything. We tend to forget, that is not the case in so many things
 
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