New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

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Aren’t we all?
Not speaking for myself. But some in a state of grace, aren’t the* worst* of hypocrites relative to all mankind. (All though in view of God they may think of themselves in truth)
For instance, Jesus singled out Pharisees and called them hypocrites, compare that to how he treated the penitent outcasts that came to him. So surely we are not all equal, or the worst of hypocrites.

The Old Medic was right to say Corapi’s ministry was indeed hypocritical, with his double life.

The Devil’s favorite virtue today, is NON-Judgmentalism, an imprudent tolerance of sins.

“Saintliness is not Silliness”
youtube.com/watch?v=S-wLrTAjgQo

-Fr. Ignatius

For instance, that “we’re all sinners” lowers the bar.

Mortal Sin & the Call to Salvation…

youtube.com/watch?v=sFR76hs_f0k
In much the same way, none of us deserve the blessings God has bestowed upon us, including allowing us the chance at eternal life with him.
How about all involved?
Agree, agree.

But I think it’s more LOVING to acknowledge Fr. Corapi’s sins and be angry about the victims he has hurt through such sins. Old Medic is more right in his post for letting his hurt known. Though he could be more open to being merciful if Corapi repents.

If I were a public figure, and then I let the public down…I wouldn’t want people to excuse my sins or become indifferent to such sins on a false sense of “charity” or “mercy”, just because they ‘liked’ me. That wouldn’t be the way I would want to be treated, if I were to know the Truth earlier.

youtube.com/watch?v=nKIYbLM7k8c

"Luke 6 "
 
Yes - perhaps this would be an alternative health situation, but he was at Mayo. This would not have been recommended by them…

…Using Occam’s Razor, I still think it more likely that the Vit D deficiency was an excuse to use the artificial tanning rather than the reason for it… And I’d say that about/to anyone, not just Fr.
Yes, the deep tan would not have come from Mayo’s suggestion. Mercola is big, like Weil, and he does recommend a regular effort for a tan not only for vitamin D but as a protective sun screen that doesn’t have skin-cancer causing carcinogens. It is definitely an “alternative health” view and not a Mayo view, as you point out.

Nonetheless, as has been said before, the combination of the tan and the dyed brows and beard and as someone called it, the “waxed head”(?) all at once were surprising, and rather off-putting, as was pointed out here, for anyone who hasn’t seen it: fumare.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-going-on-with-fr-corapi.html
 
We should pray for him and for all involved in this situation.

Not even his SOLT confreres have accused him of being in a state of sin.
They have stated that they find him to be unfit for ministry at this time.
That is clearly the case - but they are NOT throwing stones at him.
I don’t know–out of all the blogosphere-- of anybody suggesting they know what the state of Grace / Or lack thereof Father Corapi is in. Any Catholic knows that is impossible to determine. They can see someone who is unrepentant about certain sins KNOWN, but not judge them if they are in state of grace or not.

I think JR education was mistaken or presumptuous about this thread having posters alluding to any such thing. ( Almost like a strawman he inadvertently set up. )

What they do know about this news, is Fr. Corapi’s past personal sins that have come to light, which are open to judge, as well as his recent behavior/statements through his website…

Though Old Medic was probably too emotional here:
I am sorry, but until this man stands up, admits his wrongs and begs forgiveness (while handing over all ill gotten gains to the church), I will instead pray for those that he used, those that believed in him as a minister and for the church that he has so badly damaged.
In that he still needs to pray for Fr. Corapi, but everything he said, was a factual run down of things to be upset about. I did not see him saying Corapi was in a state of sin, or anything like that.
 
This whole thing saddens me. 😦
The only answer is prayer.
I have listened to many of father’s talks and have recommended them to many people.
I know he has lead many people into the church.
One thing I keep reading that bothers me is “his followers.” It sounds almost cult like.
Many people have said it here. it is the message not the messenger
I saw him as a teacher and defender of our faith.
I will pray for all involved. :gopray:
 
Yes - perhaps this would be an alternative health situation, but he was at Mayo. This would not have been recommended by them.

FWIW, the high dose pills I take cost about $12 for 4 of them (which is a 2 month supply). It’s just a vitamin - not a patentable prescription. Similar to B12 (I also have a deficiency there), it tends to be overlooked by doctors. While both are simple blood tests, they tend to be done last. If one was a cynic, you could say that it was because the testing and treatments are so cheap, but I don’t really believe that.

Dr. Weil recommends that everyone takes 2000 IU a day, deficient or not. I trust him as an alternative doctor. ( drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400683/Vitamin-D-Deficient.html ) But even he doesn’t recommend artificial tanning.

Given a poster’s ranting about Fr’s age, I found this interesting: “What’s more, the older you get, the greater the risk of vitamin D deficiency. With advancing age, the skin cannot synthesize vitamin D as efficiently as it once did and the kidneys are less able to convert vitamin D to its active hormone form.”

Using Occam’s Razor, I still think it more likely that the **Vit D deficiency was an excuse to use the artificial tanning **rather than the reason for it… And I’d say that about/to anyone, not just Fr.
The sun provides vitamin d, I never heard artificial tanning did.

There was never in my life a Catholic man that I admired. My own father was devoutly Catholic but a very sick and troubled man, both of these contributed to my falling away. Now came this guy who had a powerful voice, strong personality, very manly, who had achieved in life prior to his “conversion” what I wished I could have achieved myself. He said he counted it all (money, power, prestige, material possessions, women etc.) as dust in comparison to finding his true identity, being a priest. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I can’t relate to Bishop Sheen… So I’m left with no Catholic male role-model. And yet another example of someone who chose the world and its temptations over God, having known both.
 
I’m trimming this post because the points that I want to address are in the first few lines.
I truly question how a person that is living a lie, and is preaching what he himself rejects in his personal life, is such a great thing for any Catholic!
It is not a great thing for anyone. However, we don’t know the state of a person’s conscience. Conscience is a sacred space. We can only speak about what we can see. What we saw was a man who taught what the Church believes. We see a man whose superior says has behaved in a manner that is unacceptable. If the superior is right, there is still the question of whether he was comfortable with this or whether this was a struggle for him. I don’t know the answer.
This man appears to have enriched himself, at the expense of his ministry. This is most likely due to taking donated monies and using them for his own benefit.
This is a secular priest. He never made a vow of poverty. His community is not a religious community. It is a society like the FSSP, SSPX, Maryknoll, Vincentians, Missionhurst and Opus Dei. They are allowed to make money and keep their money. They have rules about administration of that money. Their personal money is to be administered by a guardian or trustee. Whatever stipend they get from ministry, goes into a common fund from which they give each person an allowance. He said that he never took stipends and no one has said anything to the contrary. Apparenlty, he did work for EWTN free of charge or didn’t charge them for using his recordings. I don’t know if he actually went there or just sent his DVDs.

He did not do anything morally wrong or violate any regulation on this score. He is allowed to make money. We have diocesan priests who are university professors making $80K a year. We have a few who are medical doctors making over $100K a year. The difference is that you would never know. I have a very good friend who is a diocesan priest who has made hundreds of thousands as a university professor and a medical ethics researcher for the Catholic Church. He gets paid very well for that. However, he drives a Honda and he donates a lot of money to Respect Life Ministry.

As long as they don’t cheat, lie or steal, they may charge for everything they do. Free labor applies only to religious. We are not allowed to charge for what we do. That’s why we have contracts with bishops. They agree to give the religious community a fixed amount, regardless of how many men or women are assigned to a project. It’s not a salary.

On the other hand, these secular priests make salaries, but they also pay taxes, all of their FICA, part of the retirement, medical and disability insurance. They pay their own auto insurance, buy their own cars and maintain them. Dioceses do not give them mileage and most diocese don’t even give them a cell phone. They are required to have one, if they have a hospital unde their care.
He has been living with a woman for years, in defiance of his vows as a Priest.
This is what the superior hopes to correct.
He has led the Church into scandal, and has given the enemies of the church additional ammunition with which to attack our faith.
Half of the enemies of the Church are Catholic and the other half are going to find something to gripe about. You cannot lead the Church into scandal. To lead someone into scandal is to lead them to sin. You can scandalize someone and some people have been scandalized. That’s unfortunate.

We must pray for everyone involved here. This is still not over, unfortunately. 😦

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Judge not lest ye be judged.

Do not commit scandal, yourselves, by gossip.


and so we pray… for ALL priests. They are, after all, especially in the cross-hairs of the Evil One whose war strategy includes “Take out the priests to take out the Eucharist.”

Hail Mary…

St. John Vianney, pray for us! Pray for all priests!

:signofcross::crossrc::gopray:
 
I have seen people ATTACKED here and elsewhere when they tactfully questioned how much it cost to buy a ticket to some of Corapi’s conferences. I have seen people ATTACKED here and elsewhere when they tactfully asked about Corapi’s (physical) medical condition. I have seen people ATTACKED here and elsewhere when they asked why Corapi was charging for his on-line preaching. I have seen people ATTACKED here and elsewhere when they tactfully wondered about Corapi’s dyed beard.

The point is that too many were treating (and protecting him) in a dangerous, unhealthy manner. Yet if anyone dare mentioned a concern they got ATTACKED. I would guess that SOLT had its suspicions but it allowed Corapi great latitude in how he lived his life because they were afraid of being steamrolled by the Corapi Express. Had SOLT tried to reign-in Corapi before this all imploded, I am certain he would have publically ATTACKED the society.

In the end this special treatment and protection did him no favors, it helped to bring him down. My concern is that what we are seeing now (the black sheep dog thing) is going to end-up being far worse than anything that has already been revealed.
 
This is a secular priest. He never made a vow of poverty. His community is not a religious community. It is a society like the FSSP, SSPX, Maryknoll, Vincentians, Missionhurst and Opus Dei. They are allowed to make money and keep their money. They have rules about administration of that money. Their personal money is to be administered by a guardian or trustee. Whatever stipend they get from ministry, goes into a common fund from which they give each person an allowance. He said that he never took stipends and no one has said anything to the contrary. Apparenlty, he did work for EWTN free of charge or didn’t charge them for using his recordings. I don’t know if he actually went there or just sent his DVDs.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
No. Opus Dei = personal prelature. It’s not a “society.” SSPX is not a Catholic society.

Corapi was most certainly a RELIGIOUS priest. He belonged to a society – most such societies (Jesuits, etc.) have vows of poverty or at least everything going to the community. SOLT is a society that NOW HAS a vow of poverty, something it did not have when Corapi joined, something he appears to have avoided.
 
Oddly enough, I had the same question about the tanning. I’m on doctor recommended Vit. D therapy (not at the dosage you are taking), and my doctor said it would be OK for 10-15 minutes exposure to natural sunlight before applying sunblock, but not at all necessary and NOT recommended due to the cancer risk. And I have olive skin so rarely burn unless its early summer and I’m swimming for hours at peak tanning time.
It’s great that your doctor recommended Vit. D therapy. That’s the one test that we often don’t get when we get an annual physical.

Sunshine gives you natural Vit. D. So instead of us using what God gave us (the sun) we slather man made chemicals on our skin and end up with Vit. D deficiency. I think we have been so scared off by doctors that we forget that the natural is always better.

I also take Vit. D (5,000-10,000 units per day) but that’s because I don’t do well in direct sunlight. Makes me sick.I do not use sun screen.
 
Apparently there has been announcement on the Black Sheepdog website that that tomorrow on the Black Sheepdog website there will be another important announcement so stay tuned.
I wonder if he will charge to read it. 😃
 
The sun provides vitamin d, I never heard artificial tanning did.

There was never in my life a Catholic man that I admired. My own father was devoutly Catholic but a very sick and troubled man, both of these contributed to my falling away. Now came this guy who had a powerful voice, strong personality, very manly, who had achieved in life prior to his “conversion” what I wished I could have achieved myself. He said he counted it all (money, power, prestige, material possessions, women etc.) as dust in comparison to finding his true identity, being a priest. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I can’t relate to Bishop Sheen… So I’m left with no Catholic male role-model. And yet another example of someone who chose the world and its temptations over God, having known both.
Humans are fallible creatures that will fall at times, I am sorry for your disappointments but would encourage you to keep your faith in Jesus the Christ as your ultimate role-model, remembering that through the Resurrection, He is not just a figure in a book from the past but a person who can affect us in the here and now in a profound way if we allow Him to.

I am disappointed by the actions of Fr. Corapi as well and pray that he submits himself to his authorities as soon as possible and let the damage end here. I am very concerned that this will not end well for him if he does not.
 
There was never in my life a Catholic man that I admired. My own father was devoutly Catholic but a very sick and troubled man, both of these contributed to my falling away. Now came this guy who had a powerful voice, strong personality, very manly, who had achieved in life prior to his “conversion” what I wished I could have achieved myself. He said he counted it all (money, power, prestige, material possessions, women etc.) as dust in comparison to finding his true identity, being a priest. Sorry if I offend anyone, but I can’t relate to Bishop Sheen… So I’m left with no Catholic male role-model. And yet another example of someone who chose the world and its temptations over God, having known both.
You might consider checking out Father Robert Barron. I have found him to be quite inspirational and a very effective teacher. God Bless…

youtube.com/watch?v=rZ9WT3o94a8
 
That may be the case, but why is it impossible that SOLT’s June 20th statement did not let on as much as they knew? I don’t see why it should de facto be ruled out. They could have felt it was a good PR move, or their attorneys advised them one way on the 20th and another way on the 5th, I don’t know. I’m not even saying you have to think it’s the more likely scenario, but I don’t understand why we must believe SOLT to be immaculate in their pastoral actions.

After all, the former Bishop of Corpus Christi, Rene Henry Gracida, said the following yesterday on his blog: “t seems to me that the issuing of the [July 5 SOLT] statement is an effort by the SOLT leadership to justify their own mishandling of his case from the beginning.”

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Hang on, hang on everybody…
Maybe he deserves it, maybe he does not, I do not know. I have had no direct contact with Father Corapi in many years.
 
My prayers for Father Corapi & also for the SOLT Congregations…
 
I’m trimming this post because the points that I want to address are in the first few lines.

It is not a great thing for anyone. However, we don’t know the state of a person’s conscience. Conscience is a sacred space. We can only speak about what we can see. What we saw was a man who taught what the Church believes. We see a man whose superior says has behaved in a manner that is unacceptable. If the superior is right, there is still the question of whether he was comfortable with this or whether this was a struggle for him. I don’t know the answer.

This is a secular priest. He never made a vow of poverty. His community is not a religious community. It is a society like the FSSP, SSPX, Maryknoll, Vincentians, Missionhurst and Opus Dei. They are allowed to make money and keep their money. They have rules about administration of that money. Their personal money is to be administered by a guardian or trustee. Whatever stipend they get from ministry, goes into a common fund from which they give each person an allowance. He said that he never took stipends and no one has said anything to the contrary. Apparenlty, he did work for EWTN free of charge or didn’t charge them for using his recordings. I don’t know if he actually went there or just sent his DVDs.

He did not do anything morally wrong or violate any regulation on this score. He is allowed to make money. We have diocesan priests who are university professors making $80K a year. We have a few who are medical doctors making over $100K a year. The difference is that you would never know. I have a very good friend who is a diocesan priest who has made hundreds of thousands as a university professor and a medical ethics researcher for the Catholic Church. He gets paid very well for that. However, he drives a Honda and he donates a lot of money to Respect Life Ministry.

As long as they don’t cheat, lie or steal, they may charge for everything they do. Free labor applies only to religious. We are not allowed to charge for what we do. That’s why we have contracts with bishops. They agree to give the religious community a fixed amount, regardless of how many men or women are assigned to a project. It’s not a salary.

On the other hand, these secular priests make salaries, but they also pay taxes, all of their FICA, part of the retirement, medical and disability insurance. They pay their own auto insurance, buy their own cars and maintain them. Dioceses do not give them mileage and most diocese don’t even give them a cell phone. They are required to have one, if they have a hospital unde their care.

This is what the superior hopes to correct.

Half of the enemies of the Church are Catholic and the other half are going to find something to gripe about. You cannot lead the Church into scandal. To lead someone into scandal is to lead them to sin. You can scandalize someone and some people have been scandalized. That’s unfortunate.

We must pray for everyone involved here. This is still not over, unfortunately. 😦

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Brother, you have stated this before, and for the most part, how the SOLT (under the newer constitution) handles the members’ money is as you state. And it is clear, also, that when a constitution changes, the existing members must adapt in obedience, they aren’t allowed to “grandfather” in their old ways.

However, in the SOLT letter we are discussing, does Fr. Sheehan not say that Fr. had made a PROMISE of poverty? I agree with you that they do not make VOWs of poverty, but breaking a PROMISE is still not a right or good - from what I understand, the difference mainly lies in the canonical ramifications.
 
However, in the SOLT letter we are discussing, does Fr. Sheehan not say that Fr. had made a PROMISE of poverty? I agree with you that they do not make VOWs of poverty, but breaking a PROMISE is still not a right or good - from what I understand, the difference mainly lies in the canonical ramifications.
Priests also take “only” promises of chastity, not solemn vows of chastity. How does it go over when a priest breaks that promise?
 
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