New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

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I take it no one has seen anything vis-a-vis his promised announcement on twitter? I looked a Facebook a bit ago and did not find anything new.

Pax.
 
The tweet says that the “message” is going to be posted on the Black SheepDog website, not another tweet.

Here’s the website: theblacksheepdog.us/

The list of his most recent tweets are on the far left. So far, the last message is that Independence day one.
 
jwinch2 said:
I take it no one has seen anything vis-a-vis his promised announcement on twitter? I looked a Facebook a bit ago and did not find anything new.

Pax.
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At this point I think no announcement might be a good thing. I think a announcement of some sort of positive resolution, which many are hoping for would a) take time and b) require communication between him and other parties.
 
catharina said:
I think it’s far better to be a bit naive
than to be obviously world-weary.

(Incidentally, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is alway spelled MASS,
with a capital M. It is the secular media who began that other spelling, “mass.”)
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I agree, cynicism isn’t flattering on anyone.

🙂
 
larsenl1 said:
At least I can say that I was not quick to jump on the idolization band wagon. When I read his announcement on his website (way back during Lent) that he had been accused and his upcoming conference was canceled, my first reaction was, "If he is guilty, he needs my prayers, and if he is innocent, he needs my prayers."
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Perfect.

That makes you a good example for all of us.
 
A bit off topic, but in light of so many people fearing that this scandal will result in a feeding frenzy of other or no faiths attacking the Catholic Church, I’d like to share a website with a near unanimous charitable take on things:

standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/27574

This is from Trinity, and evangelical seminary with an “Anglican” twist.
 
Kardinal said:
Perhaps so. But he has no perfectly valid reason for publicly accusing a sitting Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church of lying, libel, and blackmail. He also has no perfectly valid reason for disobeying the lawful orders of his religious superior to drop the lawsuit. He also has no perfectly valid reason for disobeying the lawful orders of his religious superior to return to community life. He also has no perfectly valid reason for disobeying the lawful orders of his religious superior to cooperate with the investigation. All of thes are things that he has admitted to doing.

That reason holds absoultely no water whatsoever.

No. He has the power to stop the lawsuit, which, despite a lawful order from his religious superior to do so, he has not done. That is disobedience, it is public, it is manifest, it is obvious, and it should be rightly condemned.
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 I'm sorry if I ought to be sorry, but Fr. Corapi may indeed have a valid reason for accusing someone of lying, libel and blackmail even if that someone is a sitting Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church and we know what that reason might be; or don't we? Now I readily concede as I did on a past thread that has some strong similarities to this one that I am not an expert on Canon Law, and I really don't care to become one, but I am not at all sure that if as you say that Father was ordered to "drop your lawsuit" that he is bound under force of Holy Obedience to do so. Now you bring up another matter of supposed disobedience, but what we have to keep first and foremost in mind about the rule of obedience is that it has most strictly to do with; Faith and Morals, Faith and Morals, Faith and Morals and if we ever begin to think that it has to do with anything other than or apart from Faith and Morals then we have to start all over again and let it sink back into our minds that the order to obey is the order to obey on matters of; Faith and Morals! 
 Keep this in mind as I wish everyone would have before condemning Fr. Corapi for not obeying at this late point in time his superior's orders to return to community life and let me skip the the obvious arguement and ask; must he now obey his community superiors by disobeying a direct personally given and entrusted order from none other or less than Bl. Pope John Paul ll himself, who, on the day of his ordination had not only ordered him but solemnly charged him, to "go and reevangelize your country"? Again I'm not a lawyer, but the personally made order of a Pope cannot be contradicted, so on this basis Fr. Corapi must have at the very least an entittlement to a ruling by a Papal Court. 
 You say Fr. disobeyed orders to cooperate with the investigation of the accusations of of the woman who accused him of sexual misconduct, you should retract it because your stating that he did not answer any questioning about it or provide to them any information that they requested about it at all, and that's wrong. A question does enter the equation on this point; what were the investigators demanding that he must do and for how long and to what purpose? Do you have any of those answers? 
  Okay if that reason does'nt hold water for you maybe this one will, maybe Father Corapi doesn't want the investigation to go any further because he does not want to see anymore of his friends or relations bothered, upset and scandalized by what's kinda looking like a witch hunt instead of a reasonable and responsible investigation.
 
@brumano
I admire your resolved. I’m sure Bl. Pope JPII did not say to him, do anything you want to do.
 
Brumano,

John Corapi joined the SOLT of his own free will. He agreed to be obedient to that order. He has not been obedient. The statement from SOLT is just the documentation of his disobedience. Or what they know at this point of his disobedience.

I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that John Corapi AKA The Black Sheepdog, cannot be recalled by anyone but JPII? Are you saying that he is not under anyone else’s authority?
 
brumano said:
I’m sorry if I ought to be sorry, but Fr. Corapi may indeed have a valid reason for accusing someone of lying, libel and blackmail even if that someone is a sitting Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church and we know what that reason might be; or don’t we? Now I readily concede as I did on a past thread that has some strong similarities to this one that I am not an expert on Canon Law, and I really don’t care to become one, but I am not at all sure that if as you say that Father was ordered to “drop your lawsuit” that he is bound under force of Holy Obedience to do so. Now you bring up another matter of supposed disobedience, but what we have to keep first and foremost in mind about the rule of obedience is that it has most strictly to do with; Faith and Morals, Faith and Morals, Faith and Morals and if we ever begin to think that it has to do with anything other than or apart from Faith and Morals then we have to start all over again and let it sink back into our minds that the order to obey is the order to obey on matters of; Faith and Morals!
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The Obedience of a religious has to do with more than just “Faith and Morals”. As you acknowledge that you do not know about this then you should have stopped your post after you said that rather than going on to lecture about what you do not know.

Father Corapi was ordered to drop his lawsuit and to move to the communities motherhouse, both of which fall under Obedience. The only order that he could refuse is if he was ordered to commit a sin which neither of these are.
 
brumano said:
A question does enter the equation on this point; what were the investigators demanding that he must do and for how long and to what purpose? Do you have any of those answers?
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Unless his legitimate superiors were commanding him to commit sin, he has the responsibility to obey them as he swore to do. Period. He has two legitimate options within the laws of the Church that he swore to follow: 1) obey; 2) appeal to Rome. To date, he has chosen neither of those.
 
Probably a good sign. Maybe his attorneys are trying to talk some sense into him.

I sure wish he was on some kind of suicide watch - he’s alone in that big house in Montana mulling over this whole mess, and especially after the bomb dropped by SOLT.

It seems that many who were still defending Father up till this last press release have quietly come around. The remaining voices demanding some sort of American style “trial” or that private information be released to the public to “prove” it to them personally are the ones remaining, and it is very scary. Some of them sound like a lunatic cult - I’m feeling more uneasy than ever.
 
jwinch2 said:
Unless his legitimate superiors were commanding him to commit sin, he has the responsibility to obey them as he swore to do. Period. He has two legitimate options within the laws of the Church that he swore to follow: 1) obey; 2) appeal to Rome. To date, he has chosen neither of those.
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Now that you mention it, I think SOLT was very wise in making public that they have ordered him under obedience to return to community and refrain from any public ministry. This should go a long way to eliminate any blurred lines about his “unleashing.” I hope and pray he chooses the course of obedience. There is still time. But if he doesn’t, that will be crystal clear. They were wise to make it so.
 
sojo said:
It seems that many who were still defending Father up till this last press release have quietly come around. The remaining voices demanding some sort of American style “trial” or that private information be released to the public to “prove” it to them personally are the ones remaining, and it is very scary. Some of them sound like a lunatic cult - I’m feeling more uneasy than ever.
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I don’t think this statement is fair. These events are very difficult to accept and takes time to sink in and make sense of. Using terms like “quietly come around”, “very scary” and “lunatic cult” only feed the sense that Fr. Corapi is being mistreated. People who follow Fr. Corapi are good people, they feel like something is being wrenched away from them. It is very difficult.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
In defense of priests/deacons preaching, most people in the pews know nothing about the Fr. Corapi situation. My parish has 2500 families and I’d bet no more than 100 of them know anything about this situation. While I don’t feel we should shy away from addressing scandals head on, I don’t see the need to draw attention to this one.
If a lot of people brought it up or asked questions I’d be more inclined to preach on it but since very few seem aware of it and its still such a murky strange situation I don’t see why I’d draw attention to it.
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I agree also.
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Now that you mention it, I think SOLT was very wise in making public that they have ordered him under obedience to return to community and refrain from any public ministry. This should go a long way to eliminate any blurred lines about his “unleashing.”
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Good point. I agree completely.
I hope and pray he chooses the course of obedience. There is still time. But if he doesn’t, that will be crystal clear. They were wise to make it so.
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I am praying for the same thing and also agree with your conclusions about the significance of disobedience.
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure said:
Now that you mention it, I think SOLT was very wise in making public that they have ordered him under obedience to return to community and refrain from any public ministry. This should go a long way to eliminate any blurred lines about his “unleashing.” I hope and pray he chooses the course of obedience. There is still time. But if he doesn’t, that will be crystal clear. They were wise to make it so.
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Correct.

I’ve been slowly listening to yesterday’s “Kresta in the Afternoon” where he devoted almost 2 hours to this. They gave a balanced outlook and said the same things you say…

SOLT probably felt that it had to say something once Fr. Corapi went public with some very harsh statements. He also has a large following. It would seem to follow that SOLT basically said “We feel we have some very credible evidence against Fr. Corapi and he is not fit for ministry at this time.” One could easily argue that SOLT was under a moral obiligation to state this to the flock.
 
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