New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

[Veridical16]

He has mentioned names…I can recall at least 4. His prior life is very plausible…

I"m sure he didn’t conjure up from thin air knowing some people in the Business & witnessing drugs, but given his patterns, I really do think he likely embellished about this stuff too…

I just find it hard to believe, knowing a little about the concert life/recording studio life (I’m sure there are satanists in the fringe quarters.) His tales. The way he described his stories tying Rock Music with such scary stuff, was under the pretense, that his audience, mostly an EWTN crowd of some elderly ladies, would take his word for it…
As if everything he experienced in his adventuresome life wasn’t at some point, mundane…

From other spiritual warfare stories I heard, they sound more convincing to me, from other Catholics as they are more detailed than his own.

But Corapi’s might be as thin as his Green Beret. That’s just where I lean in the overall context of things…I believe his stories about his mother and the priest.

I am saying this, because his possibly embellished talks of his own experience with spiritual warfare might give people the impression this isn’t serious stuff…

 

[guanophore]

And now that we know of his actions since 1999. There will now always be incredulity amongst his personal anecdotes for anyone who continues to listen to them that will get in the way of the non-erroneous message about the Church.

Yes. I believe this is true.

I don’t believe him anymore especially about the Satanic spells on drugs and Rock music stuff. Though I do believe the occult practices are out there from other people’s experiences and other priests who’ve witnessed or deal with Satanists. I don’t know whether to believe*** Corapi’s ***had personal experiences like that.

Although these stories may have been embellished, I can assure you that the types of things he described are absolutely true.

Just like his superficial use of what Sheepdog is supposed to do. I just think he wanted to come up with “hooks” for his market and heard other Catholic witnesses and just made up his own embellished details.

They work because they are believable.

 Obviously Corapi's situation is completely dissimilar! As Sheen never used money for himself but Propagation of the Faith.

I am praying he will come to his senses, and sign over all his property to SOLT.
It would make some reparation for taking advantage of his affiliation with them for so many years, while being in violation of his promises.

Sheen didn’t boast about his speaking abilities like Corapi did in his speeches.

This did bother me in one of his talks. He was putting out a challenge to a bishop, or someone, and saying something like let’s stack our mail next to one another - your few letters to my sacks.

In hindsight, one could say, Corapi’s decision to become a priest started with a disobedient dismissal of the confessor’s advice.

I am lost on this one. The only story I remember on this point was that the elderly confessor was shocked, but then said something like “nothing is impossible with God”.

 

[valient_Lucy]

Yeah, “DUH! Winning!!!”

Indeed. They could be brothers. Next thing Corapi says, is “I have tiger’s blood!”

I’m hoping the Black Sheep Dog starts his “Violent Torpedo of Truth/Defeat is Not an Option Tour.”

He can also work as a Vatican assassin warlock.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

The Joking could be cut back some…

We are decompressing - this whole crisis has been very troublesome. It is gallows humor in a way, and I don’t know about everyone else on this thread, but even with joking, I am still praying for Corapi. I believe in the Holy Spirit and I know he can be humbled. He took vows! That’s more than the narcissist I know could ever have done - and more than Charlie Sheen too.

I think Fr. Corapi is still in there, somewhere, but the addict/alcoholic has control right now.

But I will stop joking, none of this is funny, it is just a little lightness in a dark time.

 

[Shoshana]

We are decompressing - this whole crisis has been very troublesome. It is gallows humor in a way, and I don’t know about everyone else on this thread, but even with joking, I am still praying for Corapi. I believe in the Holy Spirit and I know he can be humbled. He took vows! That’s more than the narcissist I know could ever have done - and more than Charlie Sheen too.

I think Fr. Corapi is still in there, somewhere, but the addict/alcoholic has control right now.

But I will stop joking, none of this is funny, it is just a little lightness in a dark time.

Thank you! I understand the humanity of all of this, but I have been taught so long ago, that criticizing priests will have to be answered to the Lord. No matter how immoral the priest is…Servant of God Catherine Doherty did say that if there was only one priest to consecrate the Eucharist in the whole world and he was the worst of the worst, she would be walking on her knees for the gift of the Eucharist.

Yes, these are dark times…but we know who wins in the end, right?

Thank you for your kindness…and many blessings…

 

[rayne89]

Poking around the internet a bit I came across an old (2008) article in a Catholic newspaper about a conference John Corapi was having. The titles of his talks were “Theology of the Person and Power of the Holy Spirit,” “The Gift Who Contains All Gifts,” “The Holy Spirit is Given to Those Who Obey” and “The Spirit We Have Been Given is No Cowardly Spirit.”
catholiccourier.com/cc/index.cfm/news/local-news/catholic-radio-stations-to-host-father-corapi-at-conference-next-year/#ixzz1RTXv9Zb3

The irony is incredibly sad.

 

[mdkirkbride]

I found this post of the lawsuit filed by Fr. Corapi and Santa Cruz Media. I have no idea of its authenticity, but looks legit.

snapnetwork.org/PDF_files/RedactedCharge.pdf

My question is, given that both sides state he was to be self-supportive, is it normal for Santa Cruz Media to be a for profit corporation? One would think he’d have some kind of not-for-profit corporation to lower taxes and donate any profits. Or even lower the costs of his materials.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Poking around the internet a bit I came across an old (2008) article in a Catholic newspaper about a conference John Corapi was having. The titles of his talks were “Theology of the Person and Power of the Holy Spirit,” “The Gift Who Contains All Gifts,” “The Holy Spirit is Given to Those Who Obey” and “The Spirit We Have Been Given is No Cowardly Spirit.”
catholiccourier.com/cc/index.cfm/news/local-news/catholic-radio-stations-to-host-father-corapi-at-conference-next-year/#ixzz1RTXv9Zb3

The irony is incredibly sad.

:sad_yes:

 

[valient_Lucy]

Poking around the internet a bit I came across an old (2008) article in a Catholic newspaper about a conference John Corapi was having. The titles of his talks were “Theology of the Person and Power of the Holy Spirit,” “The Gift Who Contains All Gifts,” “The Holy Spirit is Given to Those Who Obey” and “The Spirit We Have Been Given is No Cowardly Spirit.”
catholiccourier.com/cc/index.cfm/news/local-news/catholic-radio-stations-to-host-father-corapi-at-conference-next-year/#ixzz1RTXv9Zb3

The irony is incredibly sad.

I heard him talk about the evangelical counsels on the radio, and he said that the vow of obedience was very liberating. He didn’t have to struggle to know God’s will; his superior’s will was God’s will.

 

[jwinch2]

The level of support on both of his FB pages is astounding to me.

 

[Veridical16]

We are decompressing - this whole crisis has been very troublesome. It is gallows humor in a way, and I don’t know about everyone else on this thread, but even with joking, I am still praying for Corapi. I believe in the Holy Spirit and I know he can be humbled. He took vows! That’s more than the narcissist I know could ever have done - and more than Charlie Sheen too.

I think Fr. Corapi is still in there, somewhere, but the addict/alcoholic has control right now.

But I will stop joking, none of this is funny, it is just a little lightness in a dark time.

No I’m sure you and , I think Lucy, lol, meant no ill will, with some of the light hearted remarks…

I was tempted to have some levity, about it without it being at the expense of the sad part, amidst all this grief over the priest…

btw, brethren in Christ,

I thought this was semi-relevant to Father Corapi, the way he is mistrustful and accusatory about the people involved in investigating him.

St. Catherine’s Dialogue, God instructs her about the same thing:

Another thing is necessary for you to arrive at this union and purity, namely, that you should never judge the will of man in anything that you may see done or said by any creature whatsoever, either to yourself or to others. My will alone should you consider, both in them and in yourself. And, if you should see evident sins or defects, draw out of those thorns the rose, that is to say, offer them to Me, with holy compassion. In the case of injuries done to yourself, judge that My will permits this in order to prove virtue in yourself, and in My other servants, esteeming that he who acts thus does so as the instrument of My will; perceiving, moreover, that such apparent sinners may frequently have a good intention, for no one can judge the secrets of the heart of man. That which you do not see you should not judge in your mind, even though it may externally be open mortal sin, seeing nothing in others, but My will, not in order to judge, but, as has been said, with holy compassion. In this way you will arrive at perfect purity, because acting thus, your mind will not be scandalized, either in Me or in your neighbor. Otherwise you fall into contempt of your neighbor, if you judge his evil will towards you, instead of My will acting in him. Such contempt and scandal separates the soul from Me, and prevents perfection, and, in some cases, deprives a man of grace, more or less according to the gravity of his contempt, and the hatred which his judgment has conceived against his neighbor.

It’s actually been something difficult for me to understand or practice myself, you think you’re pretty righteous then you realize how far away you are…

…I hope Father Corapi comes across it somehow in regard to his superiors…

 

[jwinch2]

No I’m sure you and , I think Lucy, lol, meant no ill will, with some of the light hearted remarks…

I was tempted to have some levity, about it without it being at the expense of the sad part, amidst all this grief over the priest…

btw, brethren in Christ,

I thought this was semi-relevant to Father Corapi, the way he is mistrustful and accusatory about the people involved in investigating him.

St. Catherine’s Dialogue, God instructs her about the same thing:

It’s actually been something difficult for me to understand or practice myself, you think you’re pretty righteous then you realize how far away you are…

…I hope Father Corapi comes across it somehow in regard to his superiors…

I just watched a video on St. Catherine earlier this evening. Great stuff! You are correct in my opinion, her model is a good one to consider here. She had many concerns about the activity of those in the Church to include the Holy Father himself which to my understanding she expressed quite strongly. However, she was always obedient to God and to the Church.

 

[freerf]

All this reminds me of how important it is that we live our lives in such a way that our credibility is hard to call into question.

What I am reading now has me thinking, not only are people questioning Fr Corapi’s behavior, the are now calling into question his very credibility of his life journey.

That seems reasonable. Apparently he’s been living a lie for quite some time.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

The level of support on both of his FB pages is astounding to me.

Actually, it doesn’t surprise me. It is a time in our nation when people are looking for leaders, and also there is a lot of fear and paranoia running rampant through many sub-groups of people. It’s like a kind of wildfire, spreading through society, the sense of betrayal is very high. People are choosing sides in unhealthy ways, and Corapi’s rhetoric feeds right into the worst of the fears. All his talk about needing bodyguards, guns, etc. because he was exposing the truth of the Church…it plays right into people who think that sort of thing is needed. As if Corapi is some sort of divine whistleblower…and the Illuminati is out to get him…

Oh, we are sheep, indeed, but he’s not the shepherd…I hear my Shepherd and he’s not covered in black fur…

 

[surfinpure]

The people on his FB page are insane, and I think it is dangerous to the Church for him to continue this charade. It attracts all the Catholic-bashers who are happy to have one more soldier to fight against Church authority! What can’t he see that? He is undoing all the good he has done through the years!

Who are these people, who are following him “onward,” and posting that they are with him no matter what???



They have made him into a golden calf.

I’m mad as a hornet about this, too, Juliane. He has over 50,000 “fans” on facebook, and that’s a “church” right there. I’m sick of the military imagery, the cries for vengeance against the Bishops, and the vows to follow him to the ends of the earth. Sick, as in it literally turns my stomach.

 

[freerf]

Poking around the internet a bit I came across an old (2008) article in a Catholic newspaper about a conference John Corapi was having. The titles of his talks were “Theology of the Person and Power of the Holy Spirit,” “The Gift Who Contains All Gifts,” “The Holy Spirit is Given to Those Who Obey” and “The Spirit We Have Been Given is No Cowardly Spirit.”
catholiccourier.com/cc/index.cfm/news/local-news/catholic-radio-stations-to-host-father-corapi-at-conference-next-year/#ixzz1RTXv9Zb3

The irony is incredibly sad.

and shocking to think he was probably doing all this while giving the conference. the human condition is a sad, pathetic thing. . . which is why i distrust all clergy.

 

[Veridical16]

Yes. I believe this is true.

Although these stories may have been embellished, I can assure you that the types of things he described are absolutely true.

Oh I know. I perhaps didn’t say it the best. But I’m sure if he didn’t experience it as much as he presented ( similar to his Green Berets training, Black Belt stories) It doesn’t I know there are true stories of people stealing hosts, casting spells, and Sharon Lee Giganti talks about certain Occult stuff in Hollywood, she was an aspiring actress…

This did bother me in one of his talks. He was putting out a challenge to a bishop, or someone, and saying something like let’s stack our mail next to one another - your few letters to my sacks.

Yes, and I’m not bringing this stuff up , begrudging his past deeds that’s for God and him to handle (confessions etc.)-- I do think examining his talks, mannerisms patterns, red flags…it brings about an understanding (for me especially) , why we’ve arrived to his disobedient unpriestly actions now…more clarity…

I am lost on this one. The only story I remember on this point was that the elderly confessor was shocked, but then said something like “nothing is impossible with God”.

He’s probably told it a few times. One where he was joking about the old guy. Not in a bad way or anything I don’t think.

 

[Eliza10]

… A successful public speaker must have a healthy degree of narcissism…

I think you are onto something. He certainly has a degree of narcissism. Or - it may even be the full-blown personality disorder. And* if *that is so, it would mean that not only is he not of right mind now (as many have surmised from the current public observations) - he never was! A bona fide Narcissist often presents a better-than-life imitation of normalcy, but they are NOT normal, and never were - and that fact always comes out eventually…

 

[Veridical16]

and shocking to think he was probably doing all this while giving the conference. the human condition is a sad, pathetic thing. . . which is why i distrust all clergy.

Don’t let the betrayals of Judases and the denials of Peter before he repented, make you disregard the faithful St. Johns who stay at the foot of the cross…and most importantly Jesus. Jesus came as a king, prophet and a priest. For a reason. The priesthood has continuity from Jesus and the friends he chose. He says so to the very special twelve.

I no longer call you slaves, because a slave does not know what his master is doing. I have called you friends, 6 because I have told you everything I have heard from my Father. It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you.This I command you: love one another.

I’m sure there is a holy priest out there we do not know of, whose faithfulness and glory he gives to God will make us grateful to God and hopeful …Corapi’s actions are indeed loud and upsetting. The good clergy, are unassuming go unnoticed a lot of times, only God sees them even, as they rightly look to please God. Though sometimes God wants them out in front and center and gives them the grace to persevere.

Usually the good clergy know about the need for prayer, constant prayer, devotion to the sacraments, as well as the communion of saints the blessed mother.
You can’t presume one is holy , but you can be confident by certain signs…

That said your overboard comment is not without some merit, we should be wary of assuming clergy automatically signifies a righteous man by that office alone.

""I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think. I do not think that many priests are saved, but that those who perish are far more numerous. "

• St. John Chrysotom

Perhaps even the clergy assume because of their office, they can just relax and not pray enough. Then they start treating their office like an occupation.
Respect their office and their hands, but be cautious. That’s the folly we saw from John /Tony ***" savvy Business man that I am " ***Corapi/Coradi who at some point started to use the title of priest for his business, and which his DVD buyers and EwtN watchers are suffering from by letting their guard down.

Jesus rabbinically says a lot to look towards the “Will of others, and their actions” not just the superficial exterior. My sheep hear my voice, and they follow me.
He even says it about Mary. It’s not because she’s just my mother that she is blessed. It’s because her will does the will of the father, perfectly (“Let it be done to me” The magnificat) , that she* is* blessed. And all generations will continue to call her so. And I chose her, to be my mother.

While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” 28But He said, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God** and keep i**t.”

 

[Eliza10]

I am reading bloggers and comments around the Internet. Here is one:

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Late this afternoon, the lawyer of Fr. John Corapi released a short statement. It does not address many of the specific charges in Fr. Sheehan’s July 5th statement, but some select items. In fact, some of it is ambiguous, such as this:Regarding the charge of sexual impropriety—This song of greed has been sung many times before. I have never had any promiscuous or even inappropriate relations with her. Never.Who is “her”?

…Nevermind.

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