New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

[mom4mary]

again, these responses aren’t directed at you. They are more for the bashing that has been going on. Research a little and you’ll get the picture…

Once again, bashing going on where? I haven’t seen it here at CAF. If it is happening elsewhere on the internet and you feel led to address it at those places, then by all means do so. But please do not attribute that kind of spirit to the discourse here at CAF, because it isn’t happening here. The Mods have been very good at watching this and all threads pertaining to Fr. Corapi, and the overwhelming majority of posters have been very charitable.

 

[chuey55]

By this I take it you have done everything you can to preach to all of your family members, neighbors, co-workers, and people on the street about the evils of atheism, gay marriage, and abortion?

Wow! It must be lonely up on that pedistal!

Yes, i try to all who would listen. Preaching the truths of our faith has nothing to with being on a pedestal. It is our duty as baptized Catholics.

 

[chuey55]

Once again, bashing going on where? I haven’t seen it here at CAF. If it is happening elsewhere on the internet and you feel led to address it at those places, then by all means do so. But please do not attribute that kind of spirit to the discourse here at CAF, because it isn’t happening here. The Mods have been very good at watching this and all threads pertaining to Fr. Corapi, and the overwhelming majority of posters have been very charitable.

never said it was happening here specifically. mostly various blogs.

 

[chuey55]

But I am not “googling” Fr. Corapi’s name. If you google it, you can find practically anything you want to find, no matter how insane. I thought that the context of my comments was understood - I am not seeing “bashing” going on here at CAF. I have no idea what people are saying in comment boxes across the internet. My comment was specifically regarding the discourse here at CAF.

Furthermore, yes, we do know enough of the facts to conclude that there is a serious issue going on here with Fr. Corapi. His bold disobedience makes it look not too good for him, but the choice to disobey is HIS and HIS alone. I’m not sure what other “facts” are needed at this point. Our Lord obeyed even unto death on a cross. Fr. Corapi is no better than the Master Himself, nor are ANY of us. We are all called to obey. It is our choice to say yes or to say no. Right now, Fr. Corapi has sadly chosen to say “No!”

He deserves a fair trial just like everyone else, is all I’m saying

 

[mom4mary]

I’m not advocating he rebel, but I do give him the benefit of the doubt.

How about the woman who wrote to Fr. Corapi’s bishop and made the initial allegations against him - is she not due the benefit of the doubt? How about Fr. Corapi’s religious superiors at SOLT, not to mention the 3-member panel that investigated the charges - are their findings not due the benefit of the doubt? Is SOLT’s proclamation that Fr. is no longer fit for priestly ministry, a decision they arrived at AFTER obtaining sufficient evidence against him including but not limited to e-mails and text msgs. of a sexual nature sent to various women - not due the benefit of the doubt? Why is only Fr. Corapi due the benefit of the doubt?

I have to tell you honestly, if Fr. Corapi stood up right now and told Catholics that he is guilty of any or even all of the charges against him, that he is sorry and that he wants the Church’s help to get back on track, do you not think that people would be crawling over each other trying to be the first to throw him a life jacket? YES, in a N.Y. minute they would be. He is a man much loved by his fellow Catholics, and it is plain to see he is in deep trouble. Enough facts have been disclosed to see that quite clearly.

 

[mom4mary]

never said it was happening here specifically.

That was the inference of your posts. If it is happening elsewhere, address it where it is actually happening

 

[valient_Lucy]

Yes, i try to all who would listen. Preaching the truths of our faith has nothing to with being on a pedestal. It is our duty as baptized Catholics.

So you’ve never passed up an opportunity? Ever? You have a perfect record? You’ve been taken to prison because you were protesting abortion or gay marriage?

If not, how can you judge the bishops or priests for what they may or may not have done? You don’t have all the facts about what the bishops, about what they have done or haven’t done.

I have had enough of Catholics bashings bishops.

 

[mom4mary]

He deserves a fair trial just like everyone else, is all I’m saying

It’s not a civil case, and he isn’t being “tried” for a civil crime. The determination is whether or not his conduct has made him unfit for priestly ministry, and based on the facts obtained by his Order, the answer to that question is that he is not currently fit for priestly ministry.

 

[dfp42]

Yes he is in violation of his promise of obedience but that does not necessarily mean that he is outside of the Church.

He is not excommunicated, if he was that would have been stated.

Mabye Br JR can touch on this in his next reply.

Thanks BzyCath for a solid answer…

Br JR…can you help on the next reply please…

 

[irishpatrick]

I pray for Father Corapi. I pray for his order. I pray for the Church. I pray for all souls.

In all things, we know in whom we believe–His name is Jesus, He is both man and God, and we worship Him–not other people. We all fall, we all sin, we all let our souls be cracked open with pride and ego…that is why we need a Savior–every single one of us!

We know in whom we believe: Jesus!

 

[Orogeny]

He deserves a fair trial just like everyone else, is all I’m saying

A couple of things. Why do you think he hasn’t had a “fair trial”? Second, your really, really need to go back through this thread and read JReducations posts. Really.

Peace

Tim

 

[chuey55]

How about the woman who wrote to Fr. Corapi’s bishop and made the initial allegations against him - is she not due the benefit of the doubt? How about Fr. Corapi’s religious superiors at SOLT, not to mention the 3-member panel that investigated the charges - are their findings not due the benefit of the doubt? Is SOLT’s proclamation that Fr. is no longer fit for priestly ministry, a decision they arrived at AFTER obtaining sufficient evidence against him including but not limited to e-mails and text msgs. of a sexual nature sent to various women - not due the benefit of the doubt? Why is only Fr. Corapi due the benefit of the doubt?

I have to tell you honestly, if Fr. Corapi stood up right now and told Catholics that he is guilty of any or even all of the charges against him, that he is sorry and that he wants the Church’s help to get back on track, do you not think that people would be crawling over each other trying to be the first to throw him a life jacket? YES, in a N.Y. minute they would be. He is a man much loved by his fellow Catholics, and it is plain to see he is in deep trouble. Enough facts have been disclosed to see that quite clearly.

Yes, they all deserve it. Never said Corapi was the only one. Why would he admit guilt if nothing has been proven? I’m sorry, but you sound like the crooked media.

 

[chuey55]

A couple of things. Why do you think he hasn’t had a “fair trial”? Second, your really, really need to go back through this thread and read JReducations posts. Really.

Peace

Tim

Who is JReducation? Are you guys in some sort of club or something I didn’t know about?

 

[brumano]

Brumano,

John Corapi joined the SOLT of his own free will. He agreed to be obedient to that order. He has not been obedient. The statement from SOLT is just the documentation of his disobedience. Or what they know at this point of his disobedience.

Well I don’t claim to know but neither does anyone else except of course Fr. Corapi and certain SOLT members if there was or was not at the time of Fr.'s entrance into their Prelature or over the course of time, discussion of any special conditions regarding the nature of Fr’s vocation or other unique considerations, which I’m sure any individual brings to any religious community, which may have resulted in a mutually agreed; adjustment, maybe we could call it, of certain community regulations in his case.
There are certain facts that figure into this charge of disobedience as to whether it is now or will remain a valid charge, okay? Fact: Fr Corapi lived as he did outside of the community houses while satisfying whatever requirements his community superiors allowed and either formally or tacitly agreed to cicumstantially over the course of what is now around twenty five years I think, you know that’s a long time in our short lives don’t you think, and that twenty fives years of this arrangement means something, it establishes something does’nt it ? This constitutes an agreement of some type, no matter who does or does not wish to recognize it, that’s why I call it a fact; because it already has taken place. So if at this point in time one party to that existing agreement wishes to make claim and demand compliance to some item of that entire existing agreement which they have for whatever reason not made demand on for 25yrs. it isn’t automatically the other party’s wrong doing if they appeal to a higher authority for a ruling prior to complying or if under the circumstances they wish to terminate the agreement in total.
This does not make Fr. guilty of anything; including disobedience.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Yes, as I said, I have seen this analogy crop up several places. I did not mean to imply that you were the original source. I am a new member, and I tried to quote another post in addition to yours, but unfortunately it didn’t work.

Nonetheless (and I am not addressing this personally to you, whm), I reject the analogy that compares a priest - ANY priest - to a teenager and his order compared to as a parent. These are grown men who we are talking about, men who have been through psychological testing and many years of formation and education prior to ordination. While each of us needs to feel accountable, such adults should not require the kind of oversight from their superiors that a parent would render to a child. It just isn’t the same thing.

I brought up the teenager analogy, it is something I have recently been through with my own 17 year old son. That’s why I was thinking that Corapi’s behavior is like that. No, his order is not his parent. It was his attitude of “I’m not obeying and you can’t make me” that seemed to come through his last communication - but I do have a painful history with a teenager who did just that - would leave the house of his own accord and not return until he wanted to.

And may I say, we do not know if SOLT has actually tried to rein him in in some way over the years. He SAYS that he has been allowed to go his merry way, doing his speaking engagements, but we don’t have the other side of things, do we? Perhaps this whole thing has been simmering for a long time.

 

[valient_Lucy]

Who is JReducation? Are you guys in some sort of club or something I didn’t know about?

He’s a Capuchin Friar, who has been posting on this thread. Look for the name JREDucation and for a picture of St. Francis on the bottom. He’s incredibly informative about this.

 

[scoobydoo6v92]

I will say this, I for some reason feel real sorrow for SOLT. I don’t know why but something inside of me is aching for SOLT and the way John $ Corapi treated them. They took him in they paid for his education I would think when they accepted him. Whatever he did and or failed to do is on him. I just know from my expeirence that he was nasty and arrogant and sent me a nastygram when I asked him where is all the money going when he started his streaming site. Many years before that I asked if I could talk to him for 5 minutes and his nasty secratary Tamra told me basically to go blank myself stand in line like everyone else for your 5 minutes. I also felt that his merchandise was way overpriced. and his DVDs were burned on a computer and not professionaly pressed as you would find with a movie or musical DVD. That is no big deal though recordable DVDs degrade over time and was not professional. But what he did to SOLT what he did to Jesus Christ is to me a terrible thing and I believe SOLT and I think that he was a maverick way too long and the only fault that rests on SOLT is they didin’t rein him in until it was too late.
I know some of you are tired of this string or the subject but unfortunatly it is a reality and it happened. It is a slap in the face of Jesus Christ it is a slap in the face of the church it is a slap in the face of all smeinarians studying to be priests it’s a slap in the face of the men that discern the priesthood and get rejected and it is a slap in the face of all Catholics that are trying to be good Catholics and it is a scandel of the Church and the order that so lovingly took him in. Scoob

 

[chuey55]

So you’ve never passed up an opportunity? Ever? You have a perfect record? You’ve been taken to prison because you were protesting abortion or gay marriage?

If not, how can you judge the bishops or priests for what they may or may not have done? You don’t have all the facts about what the bishops, about what they have done or haven’t done.

I have had enough of Catholics bashings bishops.

According to you everyone needs a perfect record to preach.

Same logic goes for Father Corapi. Thanks. You are doing the same thing to Father John that you are questioning me about. Shall we go back to the hypocrite conversation again.

Faithful Catholics getting upset and fedup with what bishops not in line with Pope Benedict fail to do? You are clueless.

 

[catharina]

That was the inference of your posts. If it is happening elsewhere, address it where it is actually happening

:clapping::clapping::clapping::yup::yup::yup:

 

[chuey55]

He’s a Capuchin Friar, who has been posting on this thread. Look for the name JREDucation and for a picture of St. Francis on the bottom. He’s incredibly informative about this.

I didn’t realize there was an eyewitness friar alongside Father Corapi the whole time, geez, where have I been