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CatholicBerean
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Do you know if they have a website? I can’t seem to find on anywhere.
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Nicole
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The only website that I know of is through the Archdiocese of St. Louis website here:
archstl.org/parishes/127.shtml
HTH,
Nicole
archstl.org/parishes/127.shtml
HTH,
Nicole
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MarcPekny
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My family and I were down at St. Agatha again yesterday. We decided to make it our parish and see how things went.
Fr. Albert is doing a good job stepping in for Fr. Rodis while on leave. I love priests who don’t mess around!
I also love the fact that they have Exposition before Mass, long confession lines and the church is over 1/2 full by the time we get there ~9:30-9:40. I think I only saw one person leave after Communion last week & didn’t notice any yesterday, although I as dealing with a fussy 6 month old!
If I was better at web-design, I’d offer to make the parish a web site. Unfortunately, my skills are somewhat limited.
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Fr. Albert is doing a good job stepping in for Fr. Rodis while on leave. I love priests who don’t mess around!
I also love the fact that they have Exposition before Mass, long confession lines and the church is over 1/2 full by the time we get there ~9:30-9:40. I think I only saw one person leave after Communion last week & didn’t notice any yesterday, although I as dealing with a fussy 6 month old!
If I was better at web-design, I’d offer to make the parish a web site. Unfortunately, my skills are somewhat limited.
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headman13
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Hi Mark I’m in St Louis too. I am glad to hear the Latin Mass at St. Agatha’s is a blessing to you. Haven’t been there yet. I did go to the Latin Mass at Queen of the Most Holy Rosary out on Watson Road in Webster—admittedly the Lefevre Crowd, I was curious,what can I say—I was very disappointed in the congregation there. I was the only one who knew the Latin responses and was paying attention. The priest muttered through the whole mass----the congregants wandered around, said their beads, didn’t pay attention. I DO love the Latin Mass and I DO understand the Latin. But I have to confess that the attraction of saying or hearing Mass in a foreign language that the people don’t understand is lost on me. Why were they there? And IF you’re gonna go to a Latin mass, why not participate in it?? I was baffled. Why do *you * go to the Latin Mass? I would never hold a service in my native German for a non-German-Speaking congregation here, as much as I love the German language and our German hymns. Why bother if they don’t understand the language and don’t know what’s going on? The preservation of a liturgical language for its own sake—say the Gothic in the Mozarabic Rite in Toledo in Spain, or the Old Church Slavonic in the Russian Church—is a mystery to me. I would rather have the people *hear and understand * “the wonderful words of life” and then putthem into action …
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GrzeszDeL
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Hey, I am delighted to see so many St. Louisans here. I was born and raised in Webster Groves (where I went to high school; how about you?). My wife and I will be moving back to St. Louis soon (I will finish my PhD in microbiology here at the Univ of Michigan shortly), and I am looking forward to going to Mass at St. Agatha’s again.
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headman13
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I came to St Louis for grad school and stuck. I went to High School in NC. But St. Louis “been berry berry good to me”
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CatholicBerean
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Hey what happens at 8am?
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MarcPekny
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I think that the attraction to the Latin Mass for me is for it’s beautiful reverence and pius silence. I also think that the Latin, especially chanted, is aurally pleasing and adds a level of mystery to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass; a level of mystery that the Novus Ordo Vernacular Mass has lost, unfortunately. I also think that kneeling to receive Our Lord is beautiful.
I do participate as much as possible for the responses I know how to pronounce. I’m still working on that as it’s very new to me. But I take a lot of comfort knowing that 500+ years of Saints attended this very same Mass. I have the job/vocation of making sure my wife and children become saints…why not imitate them! :getholy:
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headman13:
I do participate as much as possible for the responses I know how to pronounce. I’m still working on that as it’s very new to me. But I take a lot of comfort knowing that 500+ years of Saints attended this very same Mass. I have the job/vocation of making sure my wife and children become saints…why not imitate them! :getholy:
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MarcPekny
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I think (I have not been there for 0800 Mass) that they have the Novus Ordo in English, but they do not use a ‘porta-altar.’ Mass is said facing the Tabernacle, which is permitted in the Novus Ordo.
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MarcPekny
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One cannot use the “Where did you go to High School?” question on me as I am not a native St. Louisan. I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. But I went to Benet Academy in Lisle, IL there, run by the Benedictines. Pretty smart order…they own four corners of prime real estate in DuPage County.
Do they have the Latin Mass in Ann Arbor? It’s been many years since I’ve been up there
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GrzeszDeL:
Do they have the Latin Mass in Ann Arbor? It’s been many years since I’ve been up there
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GrzeszDeL
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You’re not a Cubs 's fan, are you? I was inclined to like you, but now I must be suspicious.
I have been involved in trying to get one, but we do not have it yet.
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headman13
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Mark, the deal of course with all those Saints who for 1900 years have used the Latin Mass, the deal is that most of them Spoke Latin and used it every day, for buying rutabagas as well as for talking to God. I love the Latin Mass too but would a thousand times use language that someone could understand that could affect their lives than merely preserve a dead language just because it’s pretty. The words of the Mass are not an “Incantation” a magic spell. You know, Muslims believe you can only read the Koran in Arabic, translations don’t count. You HAVE to learn Arabic for God to talk to you. Thank God, OUR God speaks our Language
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moira7
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Our new bishop in Phoenix, Thomas Olmstead, has just reinstated the Latin Mass six weeks ago and God bless him for it! I look forward to it every week. I love the reverence shown and the quiet time before Mass when you can actually pray instead of talking to people around you. The emphasis is on God and not on the people as I feel it is in the new Mass. The Novus Ordo took the mystery out. After attending the Tridentine Mass, the Novus Ordo feels somewhat disrespectful. People holding hands and teens running all over the church during the sign of peace. And the music is very teen oriented. What’s wrong with good old traditional hymns? I’ve been told I’m old-fashioned and I guess that I am. Ah, well.
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GrzeszDeL
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Dear Headman,
I think you may be misunderstanding what we Tridentine entheusiasts mean by the 'Latin" Mass. It is not that most of us are especially hung up on the Latin language. Really, it is the Tridentine rite of the Mass that we find so compelling. The use of the Latin language is just an incidental factor (although it ought to be noted that the Vatican council fathers said that we should retain the use of the Latin language).
I think you may be misunderstanding what we Tridentine entheusiasts mean by the 'Latin" Mass. It is not that most of us are especially hung up on the Latin language. Really, it is the Tridentine rite of the Mass that we find so compelling. The use of the Latin language is just an incidental factor (although it ought to be noted that the Vatican council fathers said that we should retain the use of the Latin language).
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MarcPekny
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Grzesz,
You said it better than I was going to re: the use of Latin in the Tridentine Mass.
In the Vatican II Mass, I believe that the folks at EWTN have truely incorporated the Mass the way the Council Fathers intended (keeping the Latin for most of the non-changing parts of Mass), vs what has happened in the NO Mass since. I have been there personally and love it, because the friars there fully try to be as reverent as the rite allows them to be AND they get up and P R E A C H !!!
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GrzeszDeL:
You said it better than I was going to re: the use of Latin in the Tridentine Mass.
In the Vatican II Mass, I believe that the folks at EWTN have truely incorporated the Mass the way the Council Fathers intended (keeping the Latin for most of the non-changing parts of Mass), vs what has happened in the NO Mass since. I have been there personally and love it, because the friars there fully try to be as reverent as the rite allows them to be AND they get up and P R E A C H !!!
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MarcPekny
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The only thing I would add is that if you read/pray the prayers as they’re written in the Missal, the sacrificial and penetential aspect of the Mass is emphasized in a much stronger way than with the Novus Ordo, especially with the prayers at the foot of the altar in the beginning of Mass.
To the defense of the NO, holding hands is NOT part of the official rubrics and in many places they don’t do it. (The lack of obedience on **some ** clergy and the ignorance of **some ** Mass-attendees have fueled the abuses.) However I was at the parish I grew up in a few years ago and in a robotic-like manner, folks darted acrsoss the aisle to hold hands at the Our Father. Ugh…hands together and head down position for myself when that happens!
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To the defense of the NO, holding hands is NOT part of the official rubrics and in many places they don’t do it. (The lack of obedience on **some ** clergy and the ignorance of **some ** Mass-attendees have fueled the abuses.) However I was at the parish I grew up in a few years ago and in a robotic-like manner, folks darted acrsoss the aisle to hold hands at the Our Father. Ugh…hands together and head down position for myself when that happens!
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Nicole
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You can get your own missal for the Latin rite from:
ecclesiadei.org/index.html#COALITION
Click on Latin-English Booklet Missals
They used those at the Mass I went to in Cottleville. I enjoyed reading through it later and comparing the Latin to English. It is actually quite educational.
God Bless,
Nicole
ecclesiadei.org/index.html#COALITION
Click on Latin-English Booklet Missals
They used those at the Mass I went to in Cottleville. I enjoyed reading through it later and comparing the Latin to English. It is actually quite educational.
God Bless,
Nicole
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MarcPekny
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Negative…I’m not a cubs fan! I am not a major league baseball fan too much anymore. Too many overpaid whiners. I do like the River City Rascals team in O’Fallon, though.
GrzeszDeL:
I do know that there is a very solid religios order in Ann Arbor, somewhat related to the Poor Clares that Mother Angelica runs, but I forget their name. I think it’s a form of Dominican sisters. Do they do any of the Latin?You’re not a Cubs 's fan, are you? I was inclined to like you, but now I must be suspicious.
I have been involved in trying to get one, but we do not have it yet.
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GrzeszDeL
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You are probably thinking of the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, Mother Assumpta Long’s order (Mother Long is on EWTN all the time). They are a very orthodox order, with an inspiring commitment to ascesis and traditional spirituality, but they are completely Novus Ordo in their liturgical life. I cannot say enough good things about them, nonetheless.
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Nicole
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This whole thread has been too cool! My hubby takes my boys to Rascals games all of the time. Do you all ever feel like we’ve all probably been at the same game, church event, etc.?
I really want to take my family to St. Agatha’s one of these Sundays. If you see a family w/three kids, a 12 yo girl and two younger boys, that’s me!!
God Bless,
Nicole
PS: If we go to St. Agatha’s, should we wait until the regular Pastor gets back, or is the fill-in just as good? I’m only asking because I really want my hubby and kids to get the full beauty of the Latin Mass experience.
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