New type of Marriage in Islam.

[inJESUS]

There is a fatwa - religious opinion - about Misyaar marriage:

islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=97642&ln=ara

Maybe someone can translate, I only can see scrawls with points

it says the msyar marriage is valid provided there is an explicit contract in which the man puts rules on the women : not being fair with her as with his other women, not spending money on her, not living with her, that she might only share the daytime with him not the night, some days not all the time ecc

I will not complete because honestly am sick of reading it…

 

[inJESUS]

Can anyone explain to me how is one thing called halal by Allah and then zina ( adultry)? Mutaa marriage was once halal then zina? does it apply to msyar as well?

 

[MH84]

Yesterday in our Saudi TV, they were discussing a new type of marriage we have, called “Msyar” which is authorized in Saudi Arabia, where the man can drive by the women’s house to perform sex then leaves for his original house, I heard a really frustrating story where a man married through Msyar marriage a women at around 6:00pm then divorced her at 10:00pm of the same day, how is that nice, a four hours sex marriage!, it was really a sad story to hear, and the problem that they were discussing that in our main TV channel, now every brainwashed man will run to make the same thing, what type of sex religion is that. :banghead:

Those poor women. Hardly no rights. It seems that men in Saudi Arabia can do what they want, as long as its in line with Islamic teaching, or at least they try to push its teachings to the boundaries of what is acceptable.

 

[LaMar]

Can anyone explain to me how is one thing called halal by Allah and then zina ( adultry)? Mutaa marriage was once halal then zina? does it apply to msyar as well?

Mutah marriage is only halal among the shi’a, as I understand things. Basically that’s a marriage license with an expiration date.

Mysar seems to have no expiration date, and is closer to the traditional view, requiring witnesses. It’s as though a couple gets a prenup in the west, stripping everyone of rights and allowing divorce on a whim. That wouldn’t happen here because children are considered to have inherent rights (child support, visitation) but it’s the only analogy I can summon.

 

[Delta2]

Those poor women. Hardly no rights. It seems that men in Saudi Arabia can do what they want, as long as its in line with Islamic teaching, or at least they try to push its teachings to the boundaries of what is acceptable.

I wonder why Sister Amy doesn’t see that, there is no need for women to cover themselfs in the west, because of “purity”

It is a men culture, machismo at the limits in that islam countries

To see Islam in action, nothing better than Saudi Arabia

Any muslim should reflect and see how their liberties are being denied from a “loving” God

 

[inJESUS]

Mutah marriage is only halal among the shi’a

, as I understand things. Basically that’s a marriage license with an expiration date. Mutah marriage was halal during Muhammad’s time. Why did Muhammad say it was halal and then call it zina?

 

[LaMar]

Mutah marriage was halal during Muhammad’s time. Why did Muhammad say it was halal and then call it zina?

 

[inJESUS]

I wonder why Sister Amy doesn’t see that, there is no need for women to cover themselfs in the west, because of “purity”

It is a men culture, machismo at the limits in that islam countries

To see Islam in action, nothing better than Saudi Arabia

Any muslim should reflect and see how their liberties are being denied from a “loving” God

covering ourselves will not lead to purity when the mind is dirty. Even in SA where women are black photocopies, there is too much immorality and homosexuality. The problem is solved in the heart, as Jesus says, not in the outside yet the inside is dirty.

So it is good to cover ourselves, but as long as women are seen as halal sex objects through all kinds of illegal marriages, the problem is not solved because the mind is not healed. This is the difference between marriage as religious sacrament and marriage as a contract. This is why divorce is difficult in Christianity and easy in Islam.

 

[inJESUS]

No worries LaMar

 

[Sam_777]

covering ourselves will not lead to purity when the mind is dirty. Even in SA where women are black photocopies, there is too much immorality and homosexuality. The problem is solved in the heart, as Jesus says, not in the outside yet the inside is dirty…

I totally agree.

 

[Sam_777]

Honestly, I’m rather disgusted with the view this thread has given regarding marriage in Islam. Women are not sex toys–I take offense at the comment–and sheikhs are not sex driven–another comment at which I take issue.
What Sam presented above is total nonsense, and we can all see that in no society should that pass for a legal marriage. I

• Am I the one who allowed infant sex, (E).
• Am I the one who allowed marriage to 6 years old girls, (E1) (E2).
• Am I the one who allowed unlimited marriages, (E).
• Am I the one who is allowing 72 virgins in paradise, (E).
• Am I the one said “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs”, (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490), (E) (A).
• Am I the one who allowed adult breastfeeding (suckle), (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3424) (E) (A).
• Am I the one who allowed beating of the wife, (E/A).
• Am I the one who allowed sex during the women menses, (E) (A).
• Am I the one who said that women are failing in religion, (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0142) (E) (A).
• Am I the one who said that the majority of Hell residents are women, (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126) (E) (A) .

Sister Amy, I hope you are not out of touch with the reality of Islam, I have a Muslim sister & mother exactly like you, keep defending Islam, at the same time they can’t realize how Islam has humiliated the women to this very low level, it really hurts me to see Islam treating women that way, maybe you can’t feel that while you are in US, but wait till you come here, you will find the true culture of Islam. Anyway, if you think that I have offended you in anyway, then I’m sorry, I apologize, maybe this link will calm all of us down (YouTube).

P.S., Amy, there is a question for you at the end of that YouTube clip…

 

[swariffin]

Most interesting is the fact that mysar can theoretically last a lifetime, or for a half hour. There is no set expiration date, as there is in mutah.

Dear LaMar,

Although I am not a muslim, I strongly believe that Mysar is not based on Quran. Otherwise, how come the word of God dictated to Muhammad be so weak in meaning, so that human can take advantage out of it, just by playing on the definition.

 

[flameburns623]

Yesterday in our Saudi TV, they were discussing a new type of marriage we have, called “Msyar” which is authorized in Saudi Arabia, where the man can drive by the women’s house to perform sex then leaves for his original house, I heard a really frustrating story where a man married through Msyar marriage a women at around 6:00pm then divorced her at 10:00pm of the same day, how is that nice, a four hours sex marriage!, it was really a sad story to hear, and the problem that they were discussing that in our main TV channel, now every brainwashed man will run to make the same thing, what type of sex religion is that. :banghead:

They’re called ‘rent-wives’, literally ‘wives-for-rent’; and the concept isn’t new. Presumably it has some sort of justification in the Hadith, some sort of sanction by Muhammad, but I don’t know the basis for the practice. It is NOT universally accepted practice. I don’t know which sects of Islam accept it–presumably the Wahhabi form of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia finds it justifiable. I am not certain that more-puritanical forms of Islam would countenance it. Perhaps our Islamic friends can clarify more perfectly.

The Christan West tolerated concubinage for some centuries, on the grounds that King David and King Solomon had concubines. Nowadays, we find room for serial marriage–via divorce among secular or Protestant Westerners, and to a somewhat more-controlled extent via annulment among Roman Catholics. We are also much more tolerant of overtly sexual displays on the part of both men and women–particularly women. Islam is not the sole offender in the objectification of women as sexual toys. The particular manifestations of this evil are in some ways unique to Islam, but lest we cast stones carelessly let us not forget that our own home is build of delicate glass as well.

 

[morning_star777]

brother sam if we will skip all types of uncommon marriage in islam still we have strong logic against islamic marriage.cuz islam permit a man take 4 wives together.now i want to know from sister amy that islam always shout that it had given the equal right both men&women.but isn’t a lie?cuz if a man can take 4 wives together then why cant woman take 4 husband together?(i am not saying that a woman should take 4 husband)now can u explain me amy?

 

[LaMar]

brother sam if we will skip all types of uncommon marriage in islam still we have strong logic against islamic marriage.cuz islam permit a man take 4 wives together.now i want to know from sister amy that islam always shout that it had given the equal right both men&women.but isn’t a lie?cuz if a man can take 4 wives together then why cant woman take 4 husband together?(i am not saying that a woman should take 4 husband)now can u explain me amy?

I’ve asked this same question of Mormons, and I always get a blank stare; and any response reduces to a whole lotta gibberish.

All these religions began as woman hating creeds. Your brother Sam (who, curiously, has a “777” in front of his name also) has a very difficult task ahead of him if he wants to stump for Catholicism, or any form of Christianity, Judaism or Mormonism, given that they all repress women in their own ways at least as ardently as Islam does.

 

[AgnosTheist]

for Catholicism, or any form of Christianity, Judaism or Mormonism, given that they all repress women in their own ways at least as ardently as Islam does.

how does catholicism repress women as ardently as islam does?

 

[Delta2]

Centuries ago in Europe there was marriages by convenience, a dealing with families just by “money”, “power” or some other higher interests/arrangements between families.

A lot of women married without love or passion, however they learned how to love their husbands, and children, they raised their children with love and were good housekeepers

Amazing women, just AMAZING, they deserve a medal, or a statue, for everything : courage, perseverance, self-renegation…

In the meanwhile the men was having loving affairs with concubines, not all of them, but a lot of them have that

The main question : the innocents - the children

How can God dismiss the little children, the innocents, the pure ones of this world ? and not condemn severely the fathers - the adult ones

How can a religion that claims to have the word of God ignore that innocent and little children, the innocents of This World ?

Poor and poor little children, that even God can’t protect and rose them to the highest place of innocence and glory … and Women that loved their husbands

A God that doesn’t protect the innocents, is not my God

 

[morning_star777]

mr. lamar maybe you are right that all religion suppressed women in their on way but they are not practicing now.but ya islam is practicing it ardently doing this and day by day its increasing horribly.honestly speaking i am the witness.in my country just 5/6 years ago there were no such abuse like covering system for women.and the cover system is really horrible!

 

[LaMar]

mr. lamar maybe you are right that all religion suppressed women in their on way but they are not practicing now.but ya islam is practicing it ardently doing this and day by day its increasing horribly.honestly speaking i am the witness.in my country just 5/6 years ago there were no such abuse like covering system for women.and the cover system is really horrible!

Are you located in the same country that “sam” claims?

I find the whole hijab - chador - burqa stuff to be repressive too. No argument there.

Anyway, it sounds like Christianity worked a miracle for you. So I’m glad you (singular or plural?) have found a way to connect with the divine which suits you. It’s about following your own conscience.

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[Delta2]

Just see the history of this poor woman :

My name is Hina and I am 20 years old, a divorcee from London. I got married at the age of 18 and everything was fine!! My hubby was the best person ever!! I didnt even have to say anything to him and he would know what I would be thinking!! The few months I spent with him were the best ever, but then he listened to his mum and gave me divorce!! The reason was because I was diagnosed with diabetes and his mum thought i couldnt have kids!! Even though that was not true, but she made my life hell. Then she started to say that I cannot have kids, I am this and that. I was beaten by my father-in-law to a point where I had to be hospitalised for 2 weeks. My hubby couldn’t even say anything. I didnt expect him to because I knew how much he loved his parents. I had to take it.

But then, it got to a point where my busband was fed up of me complaining, and decided to give me divorce because I was a DIABETIC??!! I still don’t believe that but that is what he said to everyone!! Even after that, my parents wanted me to get married to one of my cousin, but that proposal didn’t seem promising either. So, my parents are thinking all sorts of things that maybe no one would accept me, plus, recently I have started to wear the hijab so its really getting to them and they don’t know how to react!! I have tried showing the hadith related to hijab; they didn’t expect me to make this transition all of a sudden and specially because I belong to a family where dancing, singing, is normal and unfortunately I was a part of this some time ago. Worse thing is that I am the eldest in my family and no one at all wears a hijab!!

MY PROBLEM ISN’T AS MUCH ABOUT THE HIJAB, BECAUSE I CAN SEE AN IMPROVEMENT IN MY HOUSE, BUT THE PROBLEM NOW IS THAT MY EX-HUSBAND WANTS TO GET BACK TO ME!! HE CALLS ME EVERYDAY AND I HAVE TO KEEP DISCONNECTING THE PHONE BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS HARAM FOR ME TO TALK TO HIM. HE DOESN’T GET THE FACT THAT HE HAS DIVORCED ME AND I CANNOT RE-MARRY HIM UNLESS I MARRY SOMEONE ELSE FIRST AND GET DIVORCE FROM THEM. BUT THIS ISNT RIGHT!! I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO. MY PARENTS ARE STILL IN THE PHASE OF ACCEPTING THAT THEIR DAUGHTER IS A DIVORCEE BECAUSE MY HUBBY WAS INFACT MY COUSIN, SO FOR MY PARENTS TO ACCEPT HIM AGAIN WOULD BE A 50-50 CHANCE.

The question is: IS THIS RIGHT? I DON’T THINK ANY GUY WOULD MARRY ME KNOWING THAT I WOULD WANT A DIVORCE TO GET BACK TO MY EX-HUSBAND. This is wrong, I know that, but what can I do?? I want to get back with him, but not by hurting or misusing someone else!! Even if I was to tell the guy that I am marrying you to get back to my ex, is that not haram because I am marrying him with the wrong intention??

Please someone help me!! I cannot stop crying; I don’t want to hurt anyone and want to do everything properly. He doesn’t quit calling me and I can’t even change my number because he always manages to get hold of it. I cannot even tell my parents, as my father is already a heart patient after this all.

Someone please, please advice me what to do??
Jazak’Allah Khaiyrun

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I’m astonished, really stunned and revolted

They deny, due to Islam bizarre law, the reconciliation with her husband

What God is this that denies reconciliation, peace, love ?

What type of God is this ?

I will try to convince her in order to come here and read the true God of Love, and simple the Truth of our Holy Trinity, our God