New York Cardinal Egan Slams Giuliani for Receiving Communion at Papal Mass - Demands Meeting

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Maritsa said:
I read it at LifeSiteNews but they now have a correction up saying they were mistaken.

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08041707.html
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The linked article said this (emphasis mine):

*“Two of my sons and I attended the Papal Mass yesterday. We were seated in section 216, directly above the section in which Ted Kennedy was seated. Several minutes prior to the general distribution of communion a priest walked down to Ted Kennedy and gave him communion. There was some discussion amongst we in our section about the inappropriateness of his reception of the Host. Be certain, he remained seated not out of some self-enforced respect for the sacrament, but rather out of respect for his girth and mobility.”
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The article originally had a picture of Kennedy in his seat and said he did not receive. That’s what it said when I read it. They since received the correction and edited the article and now I’m corrected, too.
 
Nordar said:
Why does he have to explain why Guiliani was invited to The Mass? They had an agreement that He,(Guiliani would not recieve) so why should he not have invited him?:confused:
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Exactly. The Cardinal did what he should have done…made clear to a Catholic politician in his diocese whose public positions contrary to the Church are well known that he is invited to Mass but shouldn’t receive communion.

What is sad is that Giuliani didn’t keep his side of the agreement. I would have had a ton more respect for him if he had not received…especially since it would have been an example to the rest of the Catholic politicians.
 
Maritsa said:
The article originally had a picture of Kennedy in his seat and said he did not receive. That’s what it said when I read it. They since received the correction and edited the article and now I’m corrected, too.
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You reacted the way any reasonable person would to the news, as reported. I was surprised to hear that Kennedy hadn’t received, as I’m sure you were. Obviously, our reaction of surprise was warranted. Unfortunately, he did exactly what I had previously assumed he would do. 😦
 
rlg94086 said:
What is sad is that Giuliani didn’t keep his side of the agreement. I would have had a ton more respect for him if he had not received…especially since it would have been an example to the rest of the Catholic politicians.
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Do we really expect any politician to take such a stand against the pro-choice crowd? Of course they would see that as a rebuke against their policies and not a confirmation of his Catholic beliefs. Most politicians I’m aware of just aren’t that brave. Their faith often seems to be a faith of convenience when it fits the political cause they are pushing, but God forbid it runs counter to that cause, because then the beliefs get pushed to the wayside.
 
aloysiusg said:
Do we really expect any politician to take such a stand against the pro-choice crowd? Of course they would see that as a rebuke against their policies and not a confirmation of his Catholic beliefs. Most politicians I’m aware of just aren’t that brave. Their faith often seems to be a faith of convenience when it fits the political cause they are pushing, but God forbid it runs counter to that cause, because then the beliefs get pushed to the wayside.
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Expect? I never said that…I don’t think (never say never 😛 ) Desire? Yes.

My stepfather is Catholic (my mother is not), but he does not receive communion because he knows that he can’t. All I hoped for from Giuliani was the same respect for the Eucharist. While he calls it a “private matter,” he did have an agreement with Cardinal Egan. That is a little different than the other politicians who, as far as we know, defiantly receive, either despite warnings from their Bishop or because their Bishops look the other way. So, yes, I would have hoped that Giuliani would have lived up to his agreement with the Cardinal.

Regardless of Giuliani’s actions, I applaud Cardinal Egan.
 
aloysiusg said:
Do we really expect any politician to take such a stand against the pro-choice crowd? Of course they would see that as a rebuke against their policies and not a confirmation of his Catholic beliefs. Most politicians I’m aware of just aren’t that brave. Their faith often seems to be a faith of convenience when it fits the political cause they are pushing, but God forbid it runs counter to that cause, because then the beliefs get pushed to the wayside.
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Read this wonderful article by Peggy Noonan if you want to see how our pro-choice politicians react when faced with the truth.

peggynoonan.com/article.php?article=295
 
Great article - if only we could have such a candid discussion these days- but I fear that is impossible. The Catholic faith is publicly ostracized because of their so-called “outdated” views toward abortion and contraception. I fear we (humanity today) are beyond the point of learning. We have become too self-centered.
 
ArdenB said:
I’d rather they slam Pelosi, Kerry, or Kennedy. Their positions are far more extreme than Giuliani’s.
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May I recommend that everyone give them a call and request that they actually AT LEAST!! do the job they’re being paid to do (and call C. Egan to thank him for defending the sacraments!)
 
Giuliani was on Fox laughing about the whole matter. According to him, Cardinal Egan has his ‘opinion.’ Never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I guess.

Giuliani, like his pathetic campaign, takes it all for granted. He either doesn’t understand what a formed conscience is or doesn’t care. Apparently, the sin of scandal doesn’t even register.
 
childofmary1143 said:
and you base this on your expert experience as an Archbishop or Cardinal?
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:rolleyes:
bilop said:
But the Cardinal tried this; he privately admonished Giuliani not to receive.

Only when Giulani did so in a VERY public way, way Cardinal Egan forced to make a public statement.

God Bless Cardinal Egan! Absolutely the right thing to do!
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The Cardinal was not forced to make a public statement. He chose to make a public statement. And while I can certainly agree God ought to bless Cardinal Egan, I’m not convinced making a public statement about this matter is prudent.

Perhaps I’m wrong, despite not being allowed to have an opinion since I’m neither an archbishop or a cardinal.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Listener said:
The rest of us don’t have a clue what is going on in someone else’s head, and we are completely incapable of judging whether or not someone else is worthy enough to receive Communion.
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He is a very vocal supporter of abortion rights and a very prominent Catholic. We don’t have to read his mind to know that he isn’t in full communion with his Church. It is possible that he is causing scandal and leading others into sin. Aren’t we called to rebuke the sinner as a work of mercy?
 
33paul said:
Giuliani was on Fox laughing about the whole matter. According to him, Cardinal Egan has his ‘opinion.’ Never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I guess.

Giuliani, like his pathetic campaign, takes it all for granted. He either doesn’t understand what a formed conscience is or doesn’t care. Apparently, the sin of scandal doesn’t even register.
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“Father forgive them for they know not what they do”.

It is very clear that Guiliani either has no clue about Catholicism, Has no clue that he is committing a Sacrilege by recieving Jesus in The Eucharist while in the state of mortal sin. Or else he simply does not care, whichever it is, it is very sad and he needs prayers!
 
Jennifer123 said:
He is a very vocal supporter of abortion rights and a very prominent Catholic. We don’t have to read his mind to know that he isn’t in full communion with his Church. It is possible that he is causing scandal and leading others into sin. Aren’t we called to rebuke the sinner as a work of mercy?
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I wouldn’t say he was a very VOCAL supporter. I think that title is reserved for Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Spitzer, and the like. They build their careers around abortion rights. Giuliani seems to hate the issue and wants to avoid it whenever he can.
 
ArdenB said:
I wouldn’t say he was a very VOCAL supporter. I think that title is reserved for Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Spitzer, and the like. They build their careers around abortion rights. Giuliani seems to hate the issue and wants to avoid it whenever he can.
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He doesn’t hate it enough NOT to be a supporter of Abortion,
 
ArdenB said:
I wouldn’t say he was a very VOCAL supporter. I think that title is reserved for Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Spitzer, and the like. They build their careers around abortion rights. Giuliani seems to hate the issue and wants to avoid it whenever he can.
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You may be right but yet I don’t know of too many people aware of Giuliani who also don’t know he is pro-choice, even at the expense of the taxpaying public.
 
Nordar said:
He doesn’t hate it enough NOT to be a supporter of Abortion,
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He hates the issue itself. I really don’t think he cares whether it is legal or not. He was obviously pro-choice for political reasons to begin with(running for mayor of NYC) and thought it would be too obvious if he became pro-life just before running for president. I think he’s apathetic while the others really believe deeply that abortion is a good thing.
 
At a recent Theology on Tap here in Mississippi, one of the questions asked to the priest was about the reception of the Eucharist. He said that he was taught to never deny someone communion in a public facility. He could meet with them privately and discuss the issues, but never do it in public.
Though Gulianni probably shouldn’t have received the Eucharist, the Cardinal should respect his privacy and address him in a non-public forum.
 
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