New York could become first state to ban cat declawing

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So the question remains, is neutering still allowed? Doesn’t that also seem objectionable.
 
A neutered cat, if let outside, really can’t be injured by another cat. The neutering doesn’t render the cat more vulnerable.

If an indoor declawed cat somehow gets outside they are more vulnerable to injury by another cat.
 
That makes sense, with the exception of indoor cats. I have never owned and outdoor cat, so I guess I have a different perspective. The reason someone else gave above though was that it was about the changing the nature of the cat.

In the end, I will always default to that which governs best governs less.
 
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I have always declawed my cats. They are indoor cats. My current cat is declawed. She is the sweetest, snuggliest cat ever. She still tries to sharpen her claws on the furniture. My furniture would be in shreds if she had real claws.

She does have her rear claws, which shredded my cork floors, as she would dig them in when making high speed chases at imaginary birds in the house. Had to replace the floors.
 
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Furniture is expensive. Having to replace it on a regular basis could change the cost of owning a pet from the hundreds of dollars ,to the thousands. My own perspective is that would be too much. And it is nothing like having one’s fingers chopped off. It would be like having nails removed under anesthesia, and pets are still not people. I am confused on this. I have never heard a peep about it being an issue anywhere. What is the problem? Is it that it affects a cat’s behavior, or that it is believed to be done in an inhumane fashion, or something else? The first two I can’t buy, so I wonder if I am missing something.
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Declawing is painful to cats.

And, as others have suggested, cats need claws as a defense.
 
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She does have her rear claws, which shredded my cork floors, as she would dig them in when making high speed chases at imaginary birds in the house. Had to replace the floors.
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That is how I have always declawed, though I had one with no rear claws as well which I adopted.

The thing is, if one does not believe in this procedure, it is no big deal simply not to declaw your cat. I get so frustrated with people trying to impose their own opinions by force of law. This goes way past claws, and all the way to the top.
 
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And, as others have suggested, cats need claws as a defense.
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Anesthetic is used. Indoor cats do not need claws for defense.

So, do you also believe in not neutering?
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You don’t know that a given cat will always be an indoor cat.

You don’t know if the owner might not be able to take care of it and it might be given to a new owner.
 
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If an indoor declawed cat somehow gets outside they are more vulnerable to injury by another cat.
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And, similar to that, the indoor declawed cat next door lived with an outdoor cat, who was there first and resented the indoor cat in her territory.
 
My sister is a Vet, and she declaws cats at her clinic with a laser. Using a laser doesn’t remove the knuckles as the old practice used to, and the cats are given anesthesia for the procedure. Therefore, when I adopted two kittens from her, I got them declawed using the laser procedure. I have children, and my cats are always indoor cats anyway.

I honestly don’t see how declawing is any worse than getting your cats fixed, if the argument is that it’s cruel to take away something from a cat’s nature. And if the argument is that they need them for defense, well again, my cats are indoor-only cats, so they don’t need their front claws for that. Also, per my sister, a cat’s back claws are what’s important for defense and fighting, not the front ones, and no vet will ever remove those.
 
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And, as others have suggested, cats need claws as a defense.
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Anesthetic is used. Indoor cats do not need claws for defense.

So, do you also believe in not neutering?
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You don’t know that a given cat will always be an indoor cat.

You don’t know if the owner might not be able to take care of it and it might be given to a new owner.
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Letting cats outdoors should be a crime. Just about every outdoor cat I’ve known has come to an untimely death from dogs, cars, and asphyxiation from collars getting caught on furniture (my friend found her dead cat dangling from her patio furniture). Also cats damage the bird population.
 
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Is clipping the same thing as trimming?
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To me it is. I use special scissors of just what you use on your toenails.
You can cause pain if you cut too close to the root (quick). It leaves cats equally defenseless until they grow back.
 
When I had cats I would sometimes trim just the tip of the nail using a nail clipper, but I never heard it leaves them defenseless.
 
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When I had cats I would sometimes trim just the tip of the nail using a nail clipper, but I never heard it leaves them defenseless.
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If the sharp bit is gone, the claws aren’t any more dangerous (effective) than a declawed cat’s paw.
 
We get cats spayed and neutered because there’s an overwhelmingly positive social good that results which is the decrease in the numbers of unwanted stray and feral cats (which as mentioned above prey on ground birds). Declawing is done to keep the cats from ruining furniture or to keep them from scratching people.
 
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tomarin said:
We get cats spayed and neutered because there’s an overwhelmingly positive social good that results which is the decrease in the numbers of unwanted stray and feral cats (which as mentioned above prey on ground birds). Declawing is done to keep the cats from ruining furniture or to keep them from scratching people.
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Okay, then it isn’t about changing their nature, or the pain it causes, but because of the outcome that drives what is permissible. That is my point. If what is good for society is sought together by society, like spay and neuter campaigns, then what is good for an individual is legitimately sought by an individual. De-clawing for me is an alternative to having an outside cat, or one put to sleep. I find the idea that either is a better outcome than an pampered indoor cat to be bizarre, even for New York.

I don’t think anyone outside of a few people who believe him animal rights as a thing akin to human rights have a super strong opinion on this, or want to push other people around on this. So it is not worth fussing over, I think. Even if such a law past, there are other ways to accomplish the same thing.

Is there some place that has mandatory spay and neuter laws, I wonder?
 
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