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Do Muslims believe in turning the other cheek? Insulting Catholics and their beliefs is a lot safer.
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio won’t march in St. Patrick’s Day parade
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grotto
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Fill your belly with some fine Irish oatmeal before you start out marching. It will sustain you throughout the parade until you can ease your thirst with a smooth Harps! (The oatmeal will be sure to give you some extra stamina in case some agitators need to be helped exit the Irish marchers). Will be wearing the green!:irish3:
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SuperLuigi
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If gay relationships were as cool and great as the activists claim, all this desire for attention should not be necessary.It has become a real obsession for some groups and individuals to propagandize their agenda on all stages, as if their agenda is the only one that matters.
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SuperLuigi
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Muslim reactions on an individual basis will vary. But I think a lot of activists would rather pass up an opportunity to advance their agenda for fear of being called a racist islamophobe.
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In Ireland, it is still a holy day of obligation. I knew this from having lived most of my life under Bishops Martin Dewey McNamara, William Edward McManus, and John Michael D’Arcy. We were always dispensed from the Lenten fast when we had Irish bishops.
catholicireland.net/holy-days-of-obligation/
catholicireland.net/holy-days-of-obligation/
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Darryl1958
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The amount of sound bytes given to this issue over the past twenty years is out of all proportion to its actual relevance.
It would be like if people were still discussing the OJ trial on a daily basis. Even Zimmerman had a shelf life.
I think you are on to something. The more the agenda is accepted, the louder the protests become. It is as if acceptance of the agenda is what is being protested most of all.
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Lormar
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We have a winnah!!! Ding! Ding! Ding! That’s it!
Relentless flooding of internet sites with everything and anything to do with them. Designed to wear you out and down so you cave in at the end.
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Inisfallen
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He lacks the class and intelligence of most previous NY mayors? Really? That’s quite a claim.
I’m a lifelong New Yorker. I love my city. It’s had its ups and downs, and always will, but it’s a great place to live, and I’m looking forward to raising my daughter her (of course, she’s only six weeks old, so she really isn’t taking advantage of the city much just yet).
Let’s look at those past mayors, or at least the ones who presided in my lifetime:
- Robert Wagner. Too long ago, don’t know a thing about him.
- John Lindsay. A nice guy. He really, really meant well, but he was a failure. It was the wrong time for him.
- Abe Beame. Underrated. He was mayor at a tough time, and deserves more credit than he gets for getting the city back on track financially.
- Ed Koch. Ran an administration, and a city, that was corrupt beyond anything since the days of Boss Tweed. One of the worst mayors this city has ever had. He sold out the city and every one of its residents to crooks and scammers like Meade Esposito and Stanley Friedman and Donald Manes so that he could have power.
- David Dinkins. Another nice guy who just didn’t have what it takes. He deserves more credit than he gets for NYC’s drop in crime (it was Dinkins, not Giuliani, who appointed Ray Kelly as police commisioner for the first time, expanded the police department by something like 20%, and presided over the beginning of the precipitous drop in crime rates that made NYC a safe place to live again) and the cleanup of Times Square.
- Rudy Giuliani. Angry, divisive, vindictive and given to claiming credit for stuff he didn’t do (like the drop in crime in NYC – in point of fact, crime rates dropped much faster under Dinkins than they did under Giuliani). A failure as mayor.
- Mike Bloomberg. Mayor of the rich, for the rich. Creator of the “luxury city.” Wants to drive the poor and the working people of the city out to the far reaches of the city. Rockaway, maybe. At least until they realize that’s all beachfront property out there, and then he would have driven them into the ocean. Tried to turned our school system over to a crony with absolutely no expertise or experience in education. Was using the charter school program to essentially de-fund public schools and steal their buildings.
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grotto
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Hopefully New York City can continue without the harm all the bad mayors have caused.:tiphat:
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One can honestly discuss and debate till the cows come home every one of your appraisals of former NYC mayors. Human interest snippet: Mayor Wagner was the only one of the lot I met personally when he presented me with a medal for my Fire Prevention essay when I was in elementary school, a day that had unexpected ramifications on the course of my life. I’m also still hopeful about Mayor de Blasio since it’s still very early in his administration, but I don’t particularly care for what I’ve seen so far.
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Bklynguy
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Please. How did he “drive” the poor out of the city? With pitchforks? Did he expel them from the land? People leave voluntarily if the cost of living gets too high, yes. But what is the mayor supposed to do? Make landlords charge less? Build more low income or affordable housing, which we know just drives up the cost of everyone else’s housing?
I’m willing to give de Blasio a chance, but the only thing I’ve seen so far is him giving into the gay lobby at the expense of Irish Catholics. In NY, the Irish Catholics were once a golden constituency for Democrats–now, de Blasio has essentially said the gays have more value than them. His values are upside down.
I will, at least, give him SOME credit for not completely caving to them and forbidding uniformed city workers from marching. Has any Catholic or other Christian in NY suggested that we should ban city workers from marching in the gay pride parade? I sure have not. The gay lobby really needs to be put in its place and marginalized. I know that is not a charitable thing to say, but they are really out of control.
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gamewell45
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Well he certainly has a legal right not to march in the parade. I guess he’ll stay home and watch it on TV.
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SuperLuigi
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As long as Irish Catholics in NYC, Eastern Iowa farmers, Orthodox Jews, African American Christians and Muslims vote democrat automatically, they have practically ZERO incentive to oppose so-called “gay marriage” and the progressives know it;
And people wonder why we have an upside down country.
It’s not rocket science.
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SuperLuigi
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What’s ironic is that a lot of people who vote for so-called gay “marriage” do so thinking if they get their way, the activists will shut their yaps and be happy.
But as we can see from the entitlement crowd in America, you give them an inch, they want a mile.
Instead of being grateful and thankful for what they are getting, they often demand MORE.
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Darryl1958
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I don’t know a lot about New York mayors. I was surprised that the famous actor was a mayor, but I am pretty sure it is has to be another Wagner.
I came across an interview of Ed Koch the other day that I found very interesting—even inspiring, actually. If this was the kind of liberal that defined the liberal mainstream, I think I could still be a liberal. I have a lot of respect for his ideas.
nationalreview.com/media/uncommonknowledge
The one thing that struck me in light of what was said about him above, is that the reason he opposed the Vietnam war (and then Afghanistan), is what I consider to be the correct reason to oppose these kind of actions. He cannot justify America propping up these corrupt regimes through use of the military and American blood, and that is a reason that is very hard to argue against.
I have no idea if his administration in New York was a corrupt one or not, but if it was, he seemed quite unaware of the irony that would be involved in that kind of reasoning, if his was as corrupt as was reported on this thread.
Anyway there was not a lot I disagreed with him about in that interview. He came off as a very likable, no-nonsense sort of character.
meltzerboy
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Mayor Robert Wagner was not the actor. Ed Koch was in some ways a great mayor and you characterize him correctly as a no-nonsense person. He was basically a liberal on most issues but not a radical.I don’t know a lot about New York mayors. I was surprised that the famous actor was a mayor, but I am pretty sure it is has to be another Wagner.
I came across an interview of Ed Koch the other day that I found very interesting—even inspiring, actually. If this was the kind of liberal that defined the liberal mainstream, I think I could still be a liberal. I have a lot of respect for his ideas.
nationalreview.com/media/uncommonknowledge
The one thing that struck me in light of what was said about him above, is that the reason he opposed the Vietnam war (and then Afghanistan), is what I consider to be the correct reason to oppose these kind of actions. He cannot justify America propping up these corrupt regimes through use of the military and American blood, and that is a reason that is very hard to argue against.
I have no idea if his administration in New York was a corrupt one or not, but if it was, he seemed quite unaware of the irony that would be involved in that kind of reasoning, if his was as corrupt as was reported on this thread.
Anyway there was not a lot I disagreed with him about in that interview. He came off as a very likable, no-nonsense sort of character.
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Bklynguy
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Mayor Koch was a liberal, not a leftist. There is a huge difference.
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Darryl1958
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That is what he called himself in the interview, and went on to roll his eyes about the way that the terminology of progressive and what not is used.
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Inisfallen
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There’s a great book about the Koch administration called “City for Sale: Ed Koch and the Betrayal of New York,” by Jack Newfield and Wayne Barrett.
I can’t recommend enough. Ed Koch was great at self-promotion (that’s what got him elected three times), but, speaking as a New Yorker, the reality was very different.
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