Newest Policyholders Under Health Law Are Sicker and Costlier to Insurers

  • Thread starter Thread starter didymus
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Not too mention those greedy doctors and nurses who somehow expect a middle to upper middle class income for their years of training and sacrifice.
The fact that doctors and nurses must spend exorbitant amounts of money and assume boatloads of debt in order gain their profession is more a result of the for-profit system.

There are thousands of doctors and nurses in other countries who are financially very comfortable without having had to go through what American doctors and nurses are forced to endure by the greed at the heart of the American system.
 
Doctors and nurses make up a big part of pharmaceutical and health insurance industries. How do you separate their greed from the greed of managers and administrators?
I assume you have a source for your first statement? Somehow I expect the majority of doctors and nurses probably work at hospitals, clinics, and private practices.

Source: My RN fiancé
 
The fact that doctors and nurses must spend exorbitant amounts of money and assume boatloads of debt in order gain their profession is more a result of the for-profit system.
Since most health insurance companies are non-profit organizations, are you saying it’s the universities and medical schools that are responsible?
There are thousands of doctors and nurses in other countries who are financially very comfortable without having had to go through what American doctors and nurses are forced to endure by the greed at the heart of the American system.
Comfortable is a relative term. What is considered comfortable in India or China would be fairly squalid by US or Western European standards. Also, it should be noted that many European countries with nationalized medicine keep doctor salaries artificially low by importing doctors from 3rd world countries. There are a lot of downsides to this practice. For one thing, customers have to deal with doctors who may not be comfortable with the native language or culture. This is a recipe for medical errors and misdiagnosis. The other downside is the creation of a “brain drain” in these developing countries. It is essentially a reverse “Robin Hood” scenario where rich, developed nation steal the best people of the poor and undeveloped nations. I don’t see how Catholic doctrine can support that practice.
 
I assume you have a source for your first statement? Somehow I expect the majority of doctors and nurses probably work at hospitals, clinics, and private practices.

Source: My RN fiancé
In the wake of the ACA, most of those small practices are affiliating with big hospital groups like MedStar. They just can’t afford the additional administrative costs the act imposed. And like it or not, hospitals, clinics, and private practices are part of the industry and make up a big chunk of the “for-profit” part. The majority of health insurance companies, like Blue Cross and Kaiser-Permanente are non-profit companies.
 
In the wake of the ACA, most of those small practices are affiliating with big hospital groups like MedStar. They just can’t afford the additional administrative costs the act imposed. And like it or not, hospitals, clinics, and private practices are part of the industry and make up a big chunk of the “for-profit” part. The majority of health insurance companies, like Blue Cross and Kaiser-Permanente are non-profit companies.
They’re all part of the Healthcare Industry, obviously.

I think it’s a pretty big leap to somehow associate them with working for insurance companies or pharma companies. Unless you think “doctors and nurses” have the ability to control prices that are pre-negotiated with insurance companies.
 
You’d get used to it.

People got used to Communism, and that never worked nearly as well as the centuries of Catholic monarchies.
Yeah, expulsion of non-Catholics and the inquisition were minor things instituted under Catholic monarchs. They’ll get over it.
 
Since most health insurance companies are non-profit organizations, are you saying it’s the universities and medical schools that are responsible?
Non-profit does not mean they don’t have expenses on top of paying the medical bills of their members. Just like every other large company, they have clerical staff, professional staff, buildings, furniture, utilities, computers, stationary supplies, janitors, and, most important of all, Executives.
 
Yeah, expulsion of non-Catholics and the inquisition were minor things instituted under Catholic monarchs. They’ll get over it.
Actually the Inquisition was set up to make trials more uniform, and respect the rights of the accused. People would often intentionally blaspheme so they could be transferred from regular state courts to inquisition courts so they could receive a more fair trial and have rights.

Our modern legal system owes much to the Inquisition. The concept of the rights of the accused was born out of it.
 
Non-profit does not mean they don’t have expenses on top of paying the medical bills of their members. Just like every other large company, they have clerical staff, professional staff, buildings, furniture, utilities, computers, stationary supplies, janitors, and, most important of all, Executives.
But they don’t have that EVIL profit motive, which is blamed for virtually all of the rising costs in medicine. It is NEVER the fault of government interference and regulation.
 
This is no surprise, nor is it a bad thing. One goal of ACA was to help those who could not get insurance get medical treatment. Of course this meant healthy insured people would pay more. My only complaint about the whole mess is the “affordable” part. Not once did the lawyers we elect to office address the actual affordability of health care. They just shifted who was to pay into a system designed to keep a thriving industry of legal malpractice strong.
Yes, this was very predictable, they knew costs would increase for ‘paying customers’ and lied, promising lower costs. As you point out, no aspect of the law addressed reducing costs.
 
Not too mention those greedy doctors and nurses who somehow expect a middle to upper middle class income for their years of training and sacrifice.
What they ought to get is what the market determines, no more and no less. Unfortunately, our occupational licensing laws prevent competition which drives up the salaries of medical providers. Healthcare providers deserve to get what they can the market, but it must be a truly free market, not one where wages are driven up by useless regulations.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top