News article ....28 year old male seeks sex with boys- what is he?

[st_lucy]

I think this is the beginning of adult child sex being okay. I personally see this as pedophilia. These are children and it sickens me to think that a man such as mentioned in the OP could be looking at my pre-teen or early teen child in such away. These boys are not ready for this and this is how homosexuality starts.

First you will see such articles like this one where it is a man and a 14 year old. Some will say well the said 14 year old is not exactly a child so it is okay. Consensual. But than where do we stop if 14 is consensual what about 10. The child should know to say no right. How about 6? and so on.

I am sorry but it is all very sick and scary.

 

[strngrnrth]

About sexual maturity: It has two main definitions and several intermediate ones.
The common definition is “able to reproduce living, viable offspring”, viable meaning not too disabled to survive weanng. Of course, breastfeeding is now optional whereas it was once necessary for a few years per child, so that definition has lost some of its meaning.
A girl may be able to reproduce before she has menstruated, or not for up to four or five years afterward. Every girl develops differently. But typically the pubertal interval is around one-fifth of the distance between menarche and age 20, or about when she becomes “regular”.
A boy may be able to reproduce before his first visible emission through traces of pre-ejaculate, or not for several years after. but it’s usual for the gap between his first emission and a high enough sperm count, quality and motility to make him capable of becoming a father to be a few months.
This adds up to 14 for an average US female today and 15 for an average male in the US today. However, it is highly variable. The hormones that drive sexual development also affect brain and nerve development, which affect every part of growing up, but there is a delay and the faster kids mature sexually the more delay there is. A girl of 14 or a boy of 15 in the US might be neurologically only a year or so ahead of a child the same age in a country where physical development is far slower.
The other definition is “having fully developed fertility and corollary functions” This actually occurs in the mid-20’s for both sexes in this country now.
A reasonable definiton might be “old enough to be interested, to be unharmed phsically, and neurologically capable of the social skills it takes to choose someone to have sex with”.
A boy is many years ahead of a girl in developing a desire for sex, but many years behind in social skills. So a girl might be socially aware enough at 15 but not physically until she is 16, while a boy would be the other way around.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

2 scenarios and questions:

1). (hypothetical)
State A has a legal consent age of 15. A 25 y/o man in State A has sex with a 16 y/o.

State B’s age of consent is 17. The same 25 y/o man travels to State B and has sex w/ another 16 y/o.

Is he a pedophile? In State A or B or both? By what criteria?

2). (unfortunately true)
When I was a teenager (14 through 18) I had sex w/ men in their 20’s (physically, if not statutorily, consensual, I wasn’t forced in any way). I was physically sexually mature (i.e., I had my period and my body looked like an adult woman’s). (I won’t go into my emotional and mental states and why I engaged in such self destructive behavior. Suffice it to say I wasn’t walking w/ Christ and His Church at that time and had a pretty dysfunctional homelife).

Were these men pedophiles? Why?

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[deb1]

I think this is the beginning of adult child sex being okay. I personally see this as pedophilia. These are children and it sickens me to think that a man such as mentioned in the OP could be looking at my pre-teen or early teen child in such away. These boys are not ready for this and this is how homosexuality starts.

First you will see such articles like this one where it is a man and a 14 year old. Some will say well the said 14 year old is not exactly a child so it is okay. Consensual. But than where do we stop if 14 is consensual what about 10. The child should know to say no right. How about 6? and so on.

I am sorry but it is all very sick and scary.

I think that eventually the age of consent will be lowered in the country.

A few years back there was a book whose author tried to claim that not all children are hurt by sexual abuse. I don’t think that she could find a publisher but she was often on the news. Around the same time the APA considered changing the criteria of pedophilia. There was an outcry and the APA backed down.

 

[st_lucy]

I think that eventually the age of consent will be lowered in the country.

A few years back there was a book whose author tried to claim that not all children are hurt by sexual abuse. I don’t think that she could find a publisher but she was often on the news. Around the same time the APA considered changing the criteria of pedophilia. There was an outcry and the APA backed down.

This really scares me. These are children does anyone think of the emotional and psychological ramifacation that can occur when we force our children to think that sex at such an early age is okay. This is very damaging in so many, many ways.

But a culture that has no thought for the children who are in utro will have no thought for a child who is older.

 

[Other_Eric]

Hair-splitting over the definition of a pedophile versus an ephebophile obscures the problem for what it is. Plainly, this is a problem of same-sex attractions.

 

[Tracy07]

Hair-splitting over the definition of a pedophile versus an ephebophile obscures the problem for what it is. Plainly, this is a problem of same-sex attractions.

Im sorry but i dont agree at all, yes it may be same sex attraction but it is still an act of paedophilia or ephebophile whatever you want to call it, it in no way by calling it that obscures anything.
Paedophilia is a problem in itself.
it is just as much of a problem as same sex attraction, there is no one is higher then the other about it, the only thing i would say is that as an adult male you are old enough to make the desision to sleep with another man and be fully aware of what you are getting yourself into but as a child you are not.
So many children are abused today because of some man older or woman even taking advantage when they are vulnerable, sometimes all these kids want is a hug and some reassurance and some sick people cant just give them that they have to use these children for their own pleasures.

Before you know it these children are having sex and confusing sex with love at least as an adult you can usually separate the two how on earth can a child?

 

[TC2]

So a 14 or 15 year old boy (as was mentioned above) is sexually mature? So that means that a girl that age is as well.

Oh, wait. Girls mature faster than boys, in many cases, so they must be sexually mature at an earlier age, say 12?

If sexual maturity has to do with being reproductively abled, then my 10 year old niece qualifies, as she is now menstruating.
Some 8yr olds would then fit this category. Pregnancy has occurred that young, and younger.

I wonder if it would change some peoples opinions here if the desired victim were females of that age.

He’s a pedophile.

 

[Other_Eric]

Im sorry but i dont agree at all, yes it may be same sex attraction but it is still an act of paedophilia or ephebophile whatever you want to call it, it in no way by calling it that obscures anything.
Paedophilia is a problem in itself.
it is just as much of a problem as same sex attraction, there is no one is higher then the other about it, the only thing i would say is that as an adult male you are old enough to make the desision to sleep with another man and be fully aware of what you are getting yourself into but as a child you are not.
So many children are abused today because of some man older or woman even taking advantage when they are vulnerable, sometimes all these kids want is a hug and some reassurance and some sick people cant just give them that they have to use these children for their own pleasures.

Before you know it these children are having sex and confusing sex with love at least as an adult you can usually separate the two how on earth can a child?

The issue, at least for me, consists in the very distinction you are trying to make. Brining up issues of informed consent in response to a tragedy, such as the one brought up in this thread, plays right into the hands of the militant homosexual lobby. Once mere consent becomes the lynchpin of sexual morality, we have begun down the slippery slope to same-sex marriage, polygamy and bestiality.

Let’s be clear: sexual activity between members of the same gender is every bit as barbarous and morally repugnant as sexual activity involving the underage. Both display levels of pathology so depraved that the solution to both is to be found in the penitentiary.

 

[Tracy07]

The issue, at least for me, consists in the very distinction you are trying to make. Brining up issues of informed consent in response to a tragedy, such as the one brought up in this thread, plays right into the hands of the militant homosexual lobby. Once mere consent becomes the lynchpin of sexual morality, we have begun down the slippery slope to same-sex marriage, polygamy and bestiality.

Let’s be clear: sexual activity between members of the same gender is every bit as barbarous and morally repugnant as sexual activity involving the underage. Both display levels of pathology so depraved that the solution to both is to be found in the penitentiary.

Hi i agree with you it is every bit as barbaric and morally wrong i do agree but by saying paedophilia basically covers up the whole homosexual act im sorry that is wrong and thats what i tried to say, what i mean and let me make this clear is this.
A man is a man and able to make his own choices in life, with informed choices he is every bit aware of what he wants and what he is going to do in life whatever that may be, a child however does not.
I didnt once say that what this man is doing is not a homosexual act or that this was every bit as wrong as the whole paedophile issue im simply stating that in this instance not only is it a homosexual act but an act on a child at that.
People here have said about sexual maturity etc and i have said a child is not sexually mature and someone else here also said whilst some reach sexual maturity physically sooner then others, mentally and emotionally (which plays a part in sexual maturity too) these children are not ready therefore this man is not only taking advantage of these boys but is also breaking the law.
What this man is doing is nothing more then an act of abuse he is using these children for his own sick pleasures and instilling in them that not only is this abuse ok but that homosexual activity is ok.
Thats the point im trying to make

 

[deb1]

So a 14 or 15 year old boy (as was mentioned above) is sexually mature? So that means that a girl that age is as well.

Oh, wait. Girls mature faster than boys, in many cases, so they must be sexually mature at an earlier age, say 12?

If sexual maturity has to do with being reproductively abled, then my 10 year old niece qualifies, as she is now menstruating.
Some 8yr olds would then fit this category. Pregnancy has occurred that young, and younger.

I wonder if it would change some peoples opinions here if the desired victim were females of that age.

He’s a pedophile.

People are using the term sexual maturity to only mean ‘physical’ sexual maturity. I think it also has to do with the bodies readiness to carry a baby to term. I’m uncertain if a ten year old, even a menstruating one, could do that. But if she could, yes, she would be sexually mature in a physical sense.

That does not mean that she is ready to have sex mentally or emotionally. Nor does it mean that it shouldn’t be a crime to have sex with her.

Let’s be glad that our laws aren’t based on the physical maturity of children.

I have read on some sites that psychologist-I do not know if this is realiable information- consider having sex with a ‘physically’ sexual mature child to different then an undeveloped child. I’ve never understood that reasoning.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

I have read on some sites that psychologist-I do not know if this is realiable information- consider having sex with a ‘physically’ sexual mature child to different then an undeveloped child. I’ve never understood that reasoning.

I think that has to do w/ the whole “pedophilia vs. ephebophilia”(sp?) issue. People who will have sex w/ physically mature children are likely NOT sexually attracted to undeveloped children (just like the rest of us). They still have problems, b/c why on earth would an adult want to sleep w/ (or have any kind of romantic relationship w/, for that matter) a minor? IMO, they are usually themselves emotionally, socially, and/or mentally immature, or they are some sort of svengali, wanting to control someone, and find (as a general rule) that it’s easier to control a child than an adult. That was my experience w/ the men I slept with as a teenager. Those who are sexually attracted to undeveloped children have these same problems, and have a disordered sexual orientation as well. In the first case (ephebophilia), the perpetrators could probably be treated (if not cured) w/ therapy or counseling (by getting to the root of why they need to control their partners, and finding out when & why they were stunted in their mental/emotional/psychological developement and how to “fix” that). With pedophilia, the majority of professionals now concede that there is no way of “fixing” their disordered orientation (similiar to how those with SSA maintain that they can’t be “changed” and made “straight”), they just have to be controlled and kept away form prepubescent children.

They’re both “wrong”, but in different ways. Ephebophilia is wrong, imo, in the same way that it’s wrong for a 50 or 60 y/o to sleep w/ a 20 y/o. That’s perfectly legal, but more than likely one is taking total advantage of the other.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[didymus]

We have talked on these forums about homosexual men seeking out boys. I am wondering what this young man is. The paper calls him a predator not a homosexual but he seems to be attracted to young males. He’s lured a 14 year old and a 15 year old into having sex. Does the gay community recognize “hebophile”?

He looks very young, almost has a teenage look.

unionleder.com/article.aspx?headline=%27Predator%27+faces+new+sex+charge&articleId=0621de95-f4fa-4f19-9f46-5117b69aa115

Odd you should post this. Just this week a local thalk show host was getting all worked up over this headline:

tinyurl.com/6ewp3g
QUOTE]Lafave’s house arrest reduced

TAMPA - Hillsborough Judge J. Rogers Padgett said Debra Lafave can be released from house arrest on July 11, three months early.
Lafave, a former middle school teacher who pleaded guilty to having sex with a 14-year-old boy, went to court Tuesday seeking an immediate change from house arrest to probation. In November 2005, she was sentenced to three years of house arrest and seven years of probation. Her plea agreement allowed her to seek the termination of her last year of house arrest.

John Fitzgibbons, Lafave’s attorney, said she has attended 99 weekly sessions at her sex therapy program. Her treating psychiatrist also advised that she was ready to serve straight probation.

There have been several cases in this area in recent years involving female teachers who all got a slap on the wrist.