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Lepanto
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In what ways has the music changed? Please explain.
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MICATH
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I haven’t seen the music director around for a while. I wa wondering if he left the Cathedral. He is a very talented man. If he went to work elsewhere, I wonder where he landed.In what ways has the music changed? Please explain.
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Karl_M
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The Diocese has received an update about Fr. Tom Moore OSFS.
Fr. Tom ministered in the Diocese for about twenty years, his most recent stint serving as the chaplain for St. Mary’s Medical Center. He left the Diocese of Saginaw about two or three years ago to work with seminarians in Port Au Prince, Hati, and was at a seminary at the time of the earthquake.
dioceseofsaginaw.blogspot.com/2010/01/oblate-provincial-confirms-fr-moore-is.html
Fr. Tom ministered in the Diocese for about twenty years, his most recent stint serving as the chaplain for St. Mary’s Medical Center. He left the Diocese of Saginaw about two or three years ago to work with seminarians in Port Au Prince, Hati, and was at a seminary at the time of the earthquake.
dioceseofsaginaw.blogspot.com/2010/01/oblate-provincial-confirms-fr-moore-is.html
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singerlady
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The former music director is in Wisconsin. His wife was transferred and the family moved. He is now music director at a large parish there.I haven’t seen the music director around for a while. I wa wondering if he left the Cathedral. He is a very talented man. If he went to work elsewhere, I wonder where he landed.
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MICATH
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The man you are referring too was KB. He has been gone for a couple of years. I was referring to the man who took his place.The former music director is in Wisconsin. His wife was transferred and the family moved. He is now music director at a large parish there.
Also — a big announcement today regarding Catholic schools in Saginaw. Two of the feeder schools to Nouvel are going to close in March. Declining enrollment is the issue. The two schools will combine with the two remaining elementary schools in Saginaw. Please continue to offer your prayers that more parents will chose Catholic education for their kids. We need numbers in the Catholic schools to keep them viable.
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singerlady
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If you are referring to Dr. S, the official word was that his responsibilities in Grand Rapids along with working in Saginaw were more than he was able to accomplish. He was very talented!The man you are referring too was KB. He has been gone for a couple of years. I was referring to the man who took his place.
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piejesu
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I’m guessing this question concerns more current changes, and refers to JR who followed Dr. S, who replaced KB, but only as a liturgical music director and not chief liturgist for the Cathedral.Say, what happened to the music program at the Cathedral. I have seen some different folks around lately. Have there been some personel changes?
The only information that has surfaced so far concerning the disappearance of JR is that, first of all he was put on disciplinary leave, but that he would be back. That was prior to the resignation of the former rector, Fr. B. Information that came later was scant and ambiguous. Eventually is was disclosed that JR would not be returning as music director.
A new Liturgical Music Director has since been hired. The new director is listed along with the rest of the Cathedral staff on the Cluster Calendar page of the bulletin which can be read on line via the link below.
thecatholicdirectory.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&siteid=59590
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Slawinski
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I happened to Mass at St. Helen this morning. I haven’t been there is 20/25 years. The pews with kneelers are still intact, although no one used then during the Consecration. I’m not sure if it is defiance or maybe no one informed Father that the directive around kneeling was to begin a few weeks back. Many did kneel in prayer after receinving Communion. And, it was a guitar Mass this morning. The 70’s are alive and well in Saginaw.
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Slawinski
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St. Helens has St. Thomas’ choir director. He is a nice guy but I don’t think he believes in the traditional music. At St. Thomas he put us through quite a variety of music including the guitars, flutes, drums… then he started playing that christian rock music after communion which was way over the top. The choir director we have now is much better. We have more organ music which is good. Good luck St. Helens because your going to need it! If you don’t like it you need to complain to the bishop. It’s going to take time to undo what Bishop Ken did but eventually it will happen.
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MICATH
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I saw a post somewhere, that there are parishes out there that are using the upcoming new translation as an opportunity to introduce tranditional music and Latin back into their parishes. The logic, since all the current music settings for Mass are going to be outdated, lets take the opportunity to teach the parish some things that will never be outdated — the Angus Dei, Sanctus, Pater Noster, etc. ---- Do you think we will ever see this in Saginaw?St. Helens has St. Thomas’ choir director. He is a nice guy but I don’t think he believes in the traditional music. At St. Thomas he put us through quite a variety of music including the guitars, flutes, drums… then he started playing that christian rock music after communion which was way over the top. The choir director we have now is much better. We have more organ music which is good. Good luck St. Helens because your going to need it! If you don’t like it you need to complain to the bishop. It’s going to take time to undo what Bishop Ken did but eventually it will happen.
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Karl_M
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Oh, I wouldn’t hold your breath if I were you. Some priests probably won’t use the new translation. Last year, one priest put in the bulletin a rant against the new translation and implied he wouldn’t use it. He also skewered anyone desiring the use of Latin. I could go on, but I won’t-it’s been hashed to death.I saw a post somewhere, that there are parishes out there that are using the upcoming new translation as an opportunity to introduce tranditional music and Latin back into their parishes. The logic, since all the current music settings for Mass are going to be outdated, lets take the opportunity to teach the parish some things that will never be outdated — the Angus Dei, Sanctus, Pater Noster, etc. ---- Do you think we will ever see this in Saginaw?
We still have lay people giving homilies, priest removing all male references in Scripture and the prayers, and open advocation of married/female priesthood, so like I said, I wouldn’t hold your breath about a more traditional feel to Mass.
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MICATH
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It sounds like St. Andrew Parish, on the westside of the City of Saginaw will soon have kneelers installed and in use. Any other updates out there on parishes in the Diocese that are untilizing kneelers again?
I have heard or read comments from several parish priests in the area about the installation of kneelers recently. In each instance the transition back to kneelers has been described as something they have been mandated to do and we need to accept it. This,to me, is the easy way out of explaining the move. I think the pastors are missing a great opportunity for catechesis. The reason behind the move back to the kneeling position at the appropriate times during Mass has more to it than just because the Bishop said to do it. They should have an easy time teaching us why we should kneel. The tough thing to explain might be why we have been asked to stand all these years.
I have heard or read comments from several parish priests in the area about the installation of kneelers recently. In each instance the transition back to kneelers has been described as something they have been mandated to do and we need to accept it. This,to me, is the easy way out of explaining the move. I think the pastors are missing a great opportunity for catechesis. The reason behind the move back to the kneeling position at the appropriate times during Mass has more to it than just because the Bishop said to do it. They should have an easy time teaching us why we should kneel. The tough thing to explain might be why we have been asked to stand all these years.
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frommi
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Have there been any updates on the former rectors health or if he’ll return to ministry?
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piejesu
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I heard a month ago from the brother of the Vicar for the Priests of the diocese that he was doing well…no more than that.
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frommi
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piejesu
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Haven’t heard the allegations, don’t have sound on my work computer, but knowing that SNAP has been prowling around the diocese ever since Bishop Cistone took over, I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t simply a case of a disgruntled former employee who got latched on to by a group with a much more involved agenda.
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frommi
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Well, the ‘teaser ad’ there basically said there was an incident in the rectory and a deacon left the diocese, a priest resigned, and a former employee was threatening a lawsuit.Haven’t heard the allegations, don’t have sound on my work computer, but knowing that SNAP has been prowling around the diocese ever since Bishop Cistone took over, I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t simply a case of a disgruntled former employee who got latched on to by a group with a much more involved agenda.
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MICATH
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TV 12 has been snooping around the Cathedral since Fr. Bessert left as well. They seem to be looking for a story and finally got one.
Please pray that sound minds and gracious hearts will prevail.
Please pray that sound minds and gracious hearts will prevail.
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MICATH
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I noticed no other news organization picked up this story but TV 12. The more I think about this the more convinced I am that 12 is displaying anti-Catholic bigotry. This series of events is only news to TV 12 because they are hoping to sensationalize on anti-Catholic sentiment around the sexual abuse crisis.Haven’t heard the allegations, don’t have sound on my work computer, but knowing that SNAP has been prowling around the diocese ever since Bishop Cistone took over, I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t simply a case of a disgruntled former employee who got latched on to by a group with a much more involved agenda.
I am dismayed that 12 is trying to push this story, dismayed that they are trying to smear the Diocese in exchange for ratings. Lets bring the story back if and when it ever becomes newsworthy.
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frommi
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