News from Diocese of Saginaw, MI

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YOU did not answer a single question I proposed.
WHO AMONG US?? you ask, I will tell you who, its YOU and I, we are responsible. 4.2 million spent, and you don’t question the intended purpose. THAT IS PREPOSTEROUS AND A LAME ARGUMENT>
DON"T excuse yourself from responsibility.
You are just using up space trying to get to the next page.
You must be personally invested in one of this multi million dollar projects.
I am done!
Lisa
 
LRS and Prochorus,

I’m not a moderator or anything, but woudln’t it be better for you two to continue this argument in private posts?

I know this thread is set up for everyone to hear the news from Saginaw under a new Bishop… I don’t want it to close, as previous ones have.

Also, Maybe our worries about charity and social justice and such needs to be asked to the people in charge? I understand concern for it and a desire to see needs met and people served. I really do. Maybe it is like Prochorus said, these new buildings might help… also, I do know that some architectural changes may help with the faith and/or confusion thereof.

LRS, we are the body of Christ, but we do need places to meet and be served and serve as the boy of Christ. Why not make it as nice as we can? I certainly see your point of ‘why fix it if its not broken.’ if we don’t need an addition or a renovation,why do it?

Only one last question- is there a large homeless population in the Saginaw Diocese?

Again, thanks for all he concern, but I just don’t want to see this thread shut down. I’m praying for both of you and the state of Saginaw, Bishop Calrson and all Catholic dioceses and Bishops in the US!
 
Ken called people to live in peace and act upon God’s word. Not to add empty words to empty words. Accuse away. You are only indicting yourself. You have no need to be so angry, or so ashamed. You are loved by God and forgiven in Christ. Live in peace, LRS. May God bless you abundantly.

Ken spent 20+ years planting seeds and building foundations. God sent a new bishop to tend the vineyard and build the houses. Yet some people are aghast asking, “Why isn’t he planting more seeds? Why isn’t he digging more basements?”

Why, indeed?
 
lrs said:
How are we incorporating the wisdom of God when we decide to spend millions and millions on newly built churches, renovations, additions, and so forth in this Diocese.
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What newly built churches are you referring to? I’m unaware of any new parishes being built in the diocese in some time. Please name them.

But perhaps you’d rather that we auction off some of the current churches to raise money for the poor? I’m sure that some industrious investor could transform St. Stans into a warehouse or a nightclub.
 
lrs said:
How are we incorporating the wisdom of God when we decide to spend millions and millions on newly built churches, renovations, additions, and so forth in this Diocese. Some of the most recent that I am personally aware of, St Stanlislaus, St James, Sacred Heart (BR).
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Looks like money can be invested in physical plant AND on the poor after all. Who said they must be mutually exclusive?

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Voice: Bob DeLand, pastor, St. James Catholic Church, All Saints Catholic Central, Bay City

Recently, students and alumni from All Saints High School and parents and parishioners from St. James Parish took an ‘‘alternative Christmas break.’’ We traveled to Biloxi, Miss., to work with the people there still suffering terribly from the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

The people of the Gulf Coast are awesome, hospitable people who are so grateful to the volunteers who continue to help them come back from this awful calamity. There is so much left to do. We must never forget them. Our 35 ‘‘missionaries’’ would especially like to thank Thelen Auto Group, Dean Arbour Ford, Garber Buick and McDonald Pontiac for donating the six vans that we drove from Bay City to Biloxi for this incredible experience. Others offered individual donations, including Bishop Carlson from the Catholic Diocese of Saginaw and BayMed. Thanks to such donations, we were able to be fed, lodged and had funds to assist in the physical part of our work. We thank everyone from St. James and All Saints for their prayers.

We are grateful to have the hands and hearts of so many supporting us. I speak for the adults in saying that we spent days with young adults that care about our world. Don’t worry, world: We have a new generation who care deeply. God bless all who were part of this experience and all who supported us with their resources and prayers.
 
I just attended the March for Life Rally in Washington, DC, with the over 300 young people, Priests, Deacons, Seminarians, and BIshop Carlson. In so many ways the experience touched my heart. I came away with the Hope and Peace of knowing that the Love for Jesus, our Catholic Faith, and love for one another is alive and well. I learned, in a grand and beautiful way that we must be truly Willing to See the Work of the Holy Spirit. We must choose this as the foundation and basis of how we view the world. The work of the Holy Spirit is always there, we must pray for this to be our focus.

Over 25k young people, along with several hundred priests, seminarians, and bishops, celebrated Mass at the Verizon Center, and then we marched. As we sung songs of praise, prayed together, were One in Christ, and celebrated Eucharist together, we were purposeful and directed in our desire to show and believe in the sanctity and gift of Life from the very young to the very old, We were able to be open to what really matters, our focus became pristine. BIishop Carlson, in a special way, along with many other gifted presiders, reminded all that we are born in the Image of Christ, all of us. Somehow we manage to lose that along the way, though media, pop culture, and by a distortion of the Truth. Lorve, forgiveness, a desire for the healing of a nation and post abortive women and men,and a desire to do God’s will, a concreteness in realizing what “Do this in rememberance of Me” really means,touched in a profound way, every participant… Realizing that this Love and Hope did not stop there, but by the very act of our willing participation, moved the whole world towards the Love of God.
I would like to note that many Seminarians witnessed their Vocation in a real and concrete way to the young people. There had been some delay in leaving, the Seminarian on our bus took this opportunity to tell about his Journey towards Discernment. This was extremely powerful, what a gift for all.

Next year, I wish that you all could experience this, it will transform you. I would like to thank Bishop Carlson, the Office of Youth Ministry and Christian Service, as well as the Priests, Deacons, Seminarians, chaperones, and our special young people, for attending and for providing the opportunity to go and witness this beautiful expression of our Faith.

Lisa
 
From the January 26 Catholic Weekly, Letter to the Editor:

THIS LEAVES ME COLD

Dear Editor:
So, an auxilary bishop in Kazakhstan say the “real” Catholics should receive Communion on their tongue while on their knees. Anything less shows lack of faith and devotion.
And this bizzarre logic finds its way into the Vatican newspaper and winds up as cover story and photo in this newspaper. (Jan 18.)
So, if I approach the altar singing with the assembly, make a generous bow, reverently extend my hands in longing for the Lord, and if I place the consecrated Bread in my mouth, and if I fulfill the rest of Christ’s command to “take and drink of my blood,” and do so again with a bow and reverence, I am a spiritutal midget?
I don’t get it.
I don’t know what upsets me more: the bishop’s misplaced logic, or its front page promulgation in the newspaper.
Frankly, the implication that anyone who receives in the hand while standing is a negligent Catholic is unfair.
What’s going on in our Church? The permission for the Tridentine Latin Mass confuses me. Decades of liturgical scholarship and 40 years of liturgical conversion are now suddenly made optional with one “delete” click from Rome.
If you don’t like the present liturgy, fine.
Be a passive spectator; watch in silence; understand little or nothing. Forget the rich theology of sacrament, celebration, lay ministry and the diginity of God’s people.
Forget the unity of practice that the authorities keep screaming about. just enjoy the nostalgia.
For decades the authorities in Rome have been reprimanding theologians and pastors for “causing confusion and upsetting the fatih of the people.”
I find the news coming from the Vatican upsetting and causing much confusion.
Perhaps we should all practice silince for a while.
To be honest, the springtime of Vatican II appears to be turning into a cold, dark January freeze. And that leaves me very cold.
Fr. Fred Kawka
Frankenmuth

Here is one man that should have taken his own adivce and practiced silence.

God bless Bishop Carlson and guide him and the Diocese of Saginaw.
 
MICATH said:
From the January 26 Catholic Weekly, Letter to the Editor:

THIS LEAVES ME COLD

Dear Editor:
So, an auxilary bishop in Kazakhstan say the “real” Catholics should receive Communion on their tongue while on their knees. Anything less shows lack of faith and devotion.
And this bizzarre logic finds its way into the Vatican newspaper and winds up as cover story and photo in this newspaper. (Jan 18.)
So, if I approach the altar singing with the assembly, make a generous bow, reverently extend my hands in longing for the Lord, and if I place the consecrated Bread in my mouth, and if I fulfill the rest of Christ’s command to “take and drink of my blood,” and do so again with a bow and reverence, I am a spiritutal midget?
I don’t get it.
I don’t know what upsets me more: the bishop’s misplaced logic, or its front page promulgation in the newspaper.
Frankly, the implication that anyone who receives in the hand while standing is a negligent Catholic is unfair.
What’s going on in our Church? The permission for the Tridentine Latin Mass confuses me. Decades of liturgical scholarship and 40 years of liturgical conversion are now suddenly made optional with one “delete” click from Rome.
If you don’t like the present liturgy, fine.
Be a passive spectator; watch in silence; understand little or nothing. Forget the rich theology of sacrament, celebration, lay ministry and the diginity of God’s people.
Forget the unity of practice that the authorities keep screaming about. just enjoy the nostalgia.
For decades the authorities in Rome have been reprimanding theologians and pastors for “causing confusion and upsetting the fatih of the people.”
I find the news coming from the Vatican upsetting and causing much confusion.
Perhaps we should all practice silince for a while.
To be honest, the springtime of Vatican II appears to be turning into a cold, dark January freeze. And that leaves me very cold.
Fr. Fred Kawka
Frankenmuth

Here is one man that should have taken his own adivce and practiced silence.

God bless Bishop Carlson and guide him and the Diocese of Saginaw.
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What precisely do you object to in Fr. Kawka’s letter?
 
frommi said:
What precisely do you object to in Fr. Kawka’s letter?
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Maybe it’s because Fr. Kawka seems to be ignore the fact that communion on the tongue is normative, whereas communion in the hand is only an approved exception (indult) in the US?
 
lepanto said:
Maybe it’s because Fr. Kawka seems to be ignore the fact that communion on the tongue is normative, whereas communion in the hand is only an approved exception (indult) in the US?
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Then that’s a fairly weak reason.

If you read the letter the writer is objecting to the idea that those who receive in the hand are somehow spiritually deficient.

As you point out…both are allowed.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, both are allowed…

Take some time for a little (name removed by moderator)ut called

Communion in the Hand
Rethinking Communion in the Hand

You certainly don’t have to agree… but any, ANY of the reasons given are sufficient for one to receive as the good Bishop “suggests”

catholic-pages.com/mass/inhand.asp

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The letter writer did not say that people should not receive on the tongue…he shows disdain for the idea that a random auxiliary bishop makes what he believes to be an offensive comment…then that comment is given front page treatment in the diocese’s own paper.

Don’t get off track and start arguing whether or not communion in the hand is good or bad.

I’m trying to understand why this letter someone is indicative of a large problem in the diocese.
 
frommi said:
The letter writer did not say that people should not receive on the tongue…he shows disdain for the idea that a random auxiliary bishop makes what he believes to be an offensive comment…then that comment is given front page treatment in the diocese’s own paper.
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What exactly is a “random auxiliary bishop”?

Is that a man who is “randomly” ordained to the episcopacy?
 
MICATH said:
From the January 26 Catholic Weekly, Letter to the Editor:

THIS LEAVES ME COLD

Dear Editor:
So, an auxilary bishop in Kazakhstan say the “real” Catholics should receive Communion on their tongue while on their knees. Anything less shows lack of faith and devotion.
And this bizzarre logic finds its way into the Vatican newspaper and winds up as cover story and photo in this newspaper. (Jan 18.)
…
I don’t know what upsets me more: the bishop’s misplaced logic, or its front page promulgation in the newspaper.
Frankly, the implication that anyone who receives in the hand while standing is a negligent Catholic is unfair.
What’s going on in our Church? The permission for the Tridentine Latin Mass confuses me. Decades of liturgical scholarship and 40 years of liturgical conversion are now suddenly made optional with one “delete” click from Rome.
If you don’t like the present liturgy, fine.
…
For decades the authorities in Rome have been reprimanding theologians and pastors for “causing confusion and upsetting the fatih of the people.”
I find the news coming from the Vatican upsetting and causing much confusion.
Perhaps we should all practice silince for a while.
To be honest, the springtime of Vatican II appears to be turning into a cold, dark January freeze. And that leaves me very cold.
Fr. Fred Kawka
Frankenmuth

Here is one man that should have taken his own adivce and practiced silence.

God bless Bishop Carlson and guide him and the Diocese of Saginaw.
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can some one forward this confused priest this article. I really feel he needs a dose of authority.

catholic-pages.com/mass/inhand.asp

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frommi said:
The letter writer did not say that people should not receive on the tongue…he shows disdain for the idea that a random auxiliary bishop makes what he believes to be an offensive comment…then that comment is given front page treatment in the diocese’s own paper.

Don’t get off track and start arguing whether or not communion in the hand is good or bad.

I’m trying to understand why this letter someone is indicative of a large problem in the diocese.
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The letter writer is a priest. Or so he says. And his distain is for the bishop, the tradition of the Church, the Pope’s “delete key” and more.

I suggest he retire.

It is hardly off tract to discuss what the “letter writer” himself has found problem with.

As for the “larger problem(s)” in your diocese… I pray the current improvement of Bishop will resolve much over the coming years.

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MrS said:
The letter writer is a priest. Or so he says. And his distain is for the bishop, the tradition of the Church, the Pope’s “delete key” and more.

I suggest he retire.

It is hardly off tract to discuss what the “letter writer” himself has found problem with.

As for the “larger problem(s)” in your diocese… I pray the current improvement of Bishop will resolve much over the coming years.

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You’re right…it’s not off track…but the letter writer did not find fault with communion on the tongue…he found fault with being told that something that is (by your own admission) allowed is somehow ‘deficient’.

As an example, the Tridentine form of the mass is the ‘extraordinary’ form, allowed under certain conditions, etc. Would those who attend be accepting of someone calling it ‘deficient’ because it is not the ordinary form? No they wouldnt.

As far as you suggesting a priest ‘retire’. First of all, retirement doesn’t scrape away ordination. Secondly, why is that even a necessary statement?

At least that pastor is engaging with his fellow Catholics in a relatively constructive way. He has a right and a duty to defend Catholic teaching, even if the person who is acting in an unchristian manner is a bishop.
 
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