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FightingFat
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I think this is really interesting, especially in light of the new legislation that is being pushed through Parliament in the UK at the moment news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4665012.stm
and being chucked out news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4664398.stm
Do things like this then constitute religious hatred against Catholics? (certainly seems vehement enough!)
The French guy has been sacked! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4672642.stm
and being chucked out news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4664398.stm
Do things like this then constitute religious hatred against Catholics? (certainly seems vehement enough!)
The French guy has been sacked! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4672642.stm
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Franze
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I am against this british law, thankfully, it has been defeated.
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FightingFat
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Why Franze?
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Eireann
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Ani Ibi said:
They have a** right** to be annoyed, pity people wern’t as upset when they post cartoons of the Pope and hateful things about the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I don’t believe in running down anothers faith, it only leads to bitterness, it serves no purpose apart from stirring up hatered, and it don’t gain converts.
Oh the other-hand wer’e told to rejoice when people say evil things against us in the Name of Jesus.
The last accepted prejudice is unfortunately against the Catholic Church, but that’s ok, theyr’e only Catholics.
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Franze
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Because this law will censure all critics to religion and other colectives, and this is very dangerous, if I want to express my sentiments about islam, I can´t do it, for this law, or many other examples. In addition, I know that the law would not be for catholicism but islam or others. Christians would be bashed and the law didn´t work for us.
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MikeWM
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Agreed.
Well, yes, Jesus told us to
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Ani_Ibi
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Franze has a point. Last Spring Judy Rebick published a cartoon on her website rabble.ca which depicted the Pope dressed as a Nazi saluting the Virgin Mary who was presumably Hitler. Catholic Civil Rights League discovered that Rebick was indirectly funded from a federal government department. An email campaign started to members of parliament to shut her funding down. Nothing happened.
If we are going to have a law, then that law must be evenly applied.
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FightingFat
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Well I agree with Franze, I don’t think there should be a law- equally I think this does seem utter lunacy though
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4671204.stm
I’m sorry, but this really is a disproportionate response IMO
People are disrepectful all the time aren’t they?
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4671204.stm
I’m sorry, but this really is a disproportionate response IMO
People are disrepectful all the time aren’t they?
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qmvsimp
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I’d like to see the cartoons and judge for myself if they’re over the top. Anyone have a link?
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Zerith
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Yes, unfortunately, this is the way the world is heading.They have a** right** to be annoyed, pity people wern’t as upset when they post cartoons of the Pope and hateful things about the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I don’t believe in running down anothers faith, it only leads to bitterness, it serves no purpose apart from stirring up hatered, and it don’t gain converts.
Oh the other-hand wer’e told to rejoice when people say evil things against us in the Name of Jesus.
The last accepted prejudice is unfortunately against the Catholic Church, but that’s ok, theyr’e only Catholics.
Personally, I thought the Bill was too extreme itself, but then again, I don’t know the exact wording etc… Only the “jist” of it.
I really hate the way in the name of “Freedom of Speech”, I can have my religion insulted. The scandals in the Church haven’t helped, here, I’ve had so many people call all Priests “Rapists”, “Child Molesters” and so on - I believe the Muslims have a right to be angry at what has happened to them - Though I do believe that banning Danes and Norwegians from Palestine, and literally threatening the life of those now in Palestine is not the way to go.
Franz, it sounds like you’re saying: “I don’t like my religion being insulted, but I want to hold the right to criticise others, namely Islam”. But you’re right that it’s for the minorities, not the Christians in Britain.
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MikeWM
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Of course the Christians in the UK - or rather specifically the Anglicans - are covered by separate blasphemy laws. Personally, I think they should go away too.
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Lance
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Muslims have the right to be upset. Do they have the right to riot or threaten people? No! If they don’t like what the papers publish they should not buy the paper and convience others to do the same. If they don’t want Danish goods in Palestine that is their right but they have no right to harm or threaten to harm Danes who are there.
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gilliam
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Something strange is going on here:
The Counter-terrorism blog reports
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The Counter-terrorism blog reports
One issue that puzzles many Danes is the timing of this outburst. The cartoons were published in September: Why have the protests erupted from Muslims worldwide only now? The person who knows the answer to this question is Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, a man that the Washington Post has recently profiled as “one of Denmark’s most prominent imams.”
Last November, Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. “We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide,” said Abu Laban.
On its face, it would appear as if nothing were wrong. However, the Danish Muslim delegation showed much more than the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands Posten. In the booklet it presented during its tour of the Middle East, the delegation included other cartoons of Mohammed that were highly offensive, including one where the Prophet has a pig face. But these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were **completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet **(which has been obtained and made available to me by Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet). The delegation has claimed that the differentiation was made to their interlocutors, even though the claim has not been independently verified. In any case, the action was a deliberate malicious and irresponsible deed carried out by a notorious Islamist who in another situation had said that “mockery against Mohamed deserves death penalty.” And in a quintessential exercise in taqiya, Abu Laban has praised the boycott of Danish goods on al Jazeera, while condemning it on Danish TV. [emphasis added]
%between%In other words, this was indeed a campaign, planned by important members of the Islamic world’s power structure, intended to force Denmark to comply with Sharia requirements. A new norm, that a western nation would conform to Sharia regardless of its free exression tradition, would be on the way to being established. Let a few more small nations succumb and someday a United States Supreme Court Justice might cite such behavior as a precedent in a decision. (added to “Comic Outrage”)
Last November, Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. “We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide,” said Abu Laban.
On its face, it would appear as if nothing were wrong. However, the Danish Muslim delegation showed much more than the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands Posten. In the booklet it presented during its tour of the Middle East, the delegation included other cartoons of Mohammed that were highly offensive, including one where the Prophet has a pig face. But these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were **completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet **(which has been obtained and made available to me by Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet). The delegation has claimed that the differentiation was made to their interlocutors, even though the claim has not been independently verified. In any case, the action was a deliberate malicious and irresponsible deed carried out by a notorious Islamist who in another situation had said that “mockery against Mohamed deserves death penalty.” And in a quintessential exercise in taqiya, Abu Laban has praised the boycott of Danish goods on al Jazeera, while condemning it on Danish TV. [emphasis added]
%between%In other words, this was indeed a campaign, planned by important members of the Islamic world’s power structure, intended to force Denmark to comply with Sharia requirements. A new norm, that a western nation would conform to Sharia regardless of its free exression tradition, would be on the way to being established. Let a few more small nations succumb and someday a United States Supreme Court Justice might cite such behavior as a precedent in a decision. (added to “Comic Outrage”)
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b_justb
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I found one on Drudge:
[Mod note: caricature of Mohammad deleted ]
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Robert_Bay
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PLEASE NOTE
The rules of the Catholic Answers Forum, to which you agreed on registering, require that members be respectful of Catholicism, as well as of other faiths. Islam forbids images of Muhammad. Caricatures of Muhammad are considered very disrespectful by Muslims. Please do not post them on our forums.
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b_justb
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Robert Bay:
But, How are we to see for ourselves what’s what? Would it have been OK to link a web site to see the pics or would that be offensive so therefore is not allowed?
How do we on the forum come to our own conclusions?
OK I can see that, sorry.
But, How are we to see for ourselves what’s what? Would it have been OK to link a web site to see the pics or would that be offensive so therefore is not allowed?
How do we on the forum come to our own conclusions?
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Robert_Bay
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Provide a link to them and a warning. That will give people the opportunity not to view them and you all a chance to comment. But remember the admonition above.
If you have any further questions, please PM me and don’t post them on the board.
Thank you for your understanding,
Robert (trying to keep the peace)
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Cactus
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Robert Bay said:
This is an important consideration, after all, some of these people do their theolgical discussions at the end of a knife blade.
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