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Pope_Noah_I
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Any info (or pics) on the likely candidates to succeed H. B. Lubomyr as Major Archbishop?
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Alexander_Roman
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You mean “as Patriarch” surely? Or are you another pope who will oppose the recognition of the UGCC patriarchate?
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Pope_Noah_I
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Believe me, I’d love to see nothing more! But, seriously, are there any visible front-runners?
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ConstantineTG
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If I can vote, I’ll vote for my bishop. But thats just me 
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ciero
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Is that so he will be gone from Canada?If I can vote, I’ll vote for my bishop. But thats just me
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ConstantineTG
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No! I love him to death! But its not everyday I can say I shook hands with a Patriarch of a ChurchIs that so he will be gone from Canada?
Plus he’s young, kind of like then Pope John Paul II became Pope.Hey, I’m just biased that is why I think he’s the best candidate
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josephdaniel29
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I still haven’t figured out what a “major archbishop” is. 
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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You can start by reading the Code of Canons for Oriental Churches.I still haven’t figured out what a “major archbishop” is.
Title 5: The Major Archiepiscopal Churches
And before any complaints from non-Catholics lets look to the autonomous Churches in Orthodoxy, especially the Russian Orthodox Church who recently made new rules about them.
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josephdaniel29
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What does that have to do with my question?
The three lines of that canon don’t say a whole lot. You couldn’t just explain it to me? Perhaps someone a little less grumpy would like to fill me in?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Sorry about that. I was just being overly sensitive as we have had Orthodox come here and be critical of the way Catholics do things.What does that have to do with my question?
The three lines of that canon don’t say a whole lot. You couldn’t just explain it to me? Perhaps someone a little less grumpy would like to fill me in?
Canon 151 is just the first Canon of Title 5. If you go back to the link I posted and click on next and read Canons 151 through 154, I think that might help out a bit more.
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josephdaniel29
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Thanks.
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ciero
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How about complaints from Catholics who tend to agree with the Orthodox who complain about how we do it?
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Hence my question about autonomous Churches and the recent change made by the Synod of the Russia Orthodox Church.How about complaints from Catholics who tend to agree with the Orthodox who complain about how we do it?
My meaning, clean up your own back yard before you complain about ours.
As for my feelings. I do not see the need to create a new patriarchal Church.
Was the Church that the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church entered in from a patriarchal Church as the other Eastern patriarchal Churches are?
People may complain about the politics I trust in the Holy Spirit to lead the Church even through the use of politics.
But as I said earlier, I am self-moderating in this discussion. I only replied to give a link to the Canons for a Major Archbishop.
I will move on now.
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josephdaniel29
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What is the practical difference between a patriarchal Church and a major archepiscopal Church? Perhaps I don’t understand how Catholic patriarchs are selected but it looks to me as though a major archbishop is selected the same way a patriarch is, election by the holy synod with confirmation by the pope. Is the title of major archbishop only one of honor?
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Formosus
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A Pope accepts the election of a Patriarch while a Major Archbishop’s election is approved by the Pope. To my understanding.
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Pope_Noah_I
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…but, what about candidates?
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Aramis
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the Primate-Archbishop of a multi-metropolitan church sui iuris.I still haven’t figured out what a “major archbishop” is.
Functionally, a Patriarch in all but title and mode of enthronement.
A patriarch, the synod enthrones, then the newly enthroned patriarch “renews” the union with Rome.
A Major archbishop, the Synod elects, then notifies Rome, and after Rome says “yes,” the Synod enthrones them.
His Beattitude Lubomyr is called patriarch, but is technically the retired Major Archbishop of the UGCC.
Rome doesn’t dictate how the synod and faithful refer to their major archbishops; the Synod of the UGCC calls their Major Archbishop “Patriarch”… And the Syro-Malankara call theirs a Catholicos. Both terms used also for primates who are recognized as patriarchs.
But rome does specify that the UGCC is a Major Archiepiscopal church, whose synod needs Rome’s approval to enthrone their primate-elect. As are the Syro-Malankara.
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ConstantineTG
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All the current Bishops belonging to the Church would be candidates. I’m not sure if there is that “any baptized Catholic male” clause you’ll find with the selection of a Pope. But in both cases, the likelihood of it is less than winning the lottery.
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Hesychios
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It doesn’t seem like there is any practical difference.
Theoretically, if the Pope does not accept the election of a patriarch, does that mean they start the selection process over? If so, are there any examples of this in recent times?
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ConstantineTG
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That step is just a check and balance. It will be a rare occassion that the Pope will reject such a thing but its kept there to ensure that no potentially heretic or schismatic Patriarch will ever be installed.
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