No communion or funerals for pro-abortion politicians: Burke [CN-USA]

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Vatican Signatura Prefect, Archbishop Raymond L. Burke, has told a Washington gathering that politicians who support gay marriage or abortion rights cannot receive sacraments without publicly repenting their ways.

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Vatican Signatura Prefect, Archbishop Raymond L. Burke, has told a Washington gathering that politicians who support gay marriage or abortion rights cannot receive sacraments without publicly repenting their ways.

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I assume this is not binding on any Bishop. too bad.
 
I wish that Bishop Burke would shut up. One thing I look for in the Catholic Church is a consistent teaching. Regardless of my opinions, I’d like the Church to speak with one voice. Burke saying one thing and O’Malley another makes the Church look like the non functional U.S. Episcopal and Lutheran Churches.
 
rep140 said:
I wish that Bishop Burke would shut up. One thing I look for in the Catholic Church is a consistent teaching. Regardless of my opinions, I’d like the Church to speak with one voice. Burke saying one thing and O’Malley another makes the Church look like the non functional U.S. Episcopal and Lutheran Churches.
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Archbishop Burke now heads the Apostolic Signatura, the top canonical court in the Vatican. He is citing Canon Law regarding the policy of the Catholic Church. “Shut up”?..he is doing his job. “Shut up”?..how disrespectful.
 
The voices of Burke, Bruskewitz, Darcy, and Chaput are in the minority related to the USSCB, unfortunately for their rapt fans dominating CAF.

So I guess %90 of US Bishops are not “real Catholics” your opinion. . . :rolleyes:

If only the USSCB were more politically right wing. . . If only the whole US could be like Lincoln.- This statement has been written on CAF. Lincoln has been described as the “utopia” of Catholicism. . . :rolleyes:
 
I agree fully with the good archbishop. Any politician who supports gay marriage or abortion should not be allowed to receive any of the sacraments except for reconciliation and hopefully they are confessing their pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage stances.
 
Can. 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.
§2. If any doubt occurs, the local ordinary is to be consulted, and his judgment must be followed.
Denial of ecclesiastical funerals is the judgment call of the local archbishop. The guidelines for that judgment call is given in Canon 1184 §1. “Some signs of repentance before death” can waive the ordinary prohibition of ecclesiastical funerals for those “manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful”. This is at the discretion of the local ordinary.

Archbishop Raymond Burke, as prefect of the Vatican Apostolic Signatura (which I have heard is comparable to a Supreme Court), has a canon law opinion which should weigh heavily when local ordinaries are seeking understanding of canon law.

As I understand it, the judgment call is still that of the archbishop of the diocese.
 
Feanor2 said:
The voices of Burke, Bruskewitz, Darcy, and Chaput are in the minority related to the USSCB, unfortunately for their rapt fans dominating CAF.

So I guess %90 of US Bishops are not “real Catholics” your opinion. . . :rolleyes:

If only the USSCB were more politically right wing. . . If only the whole US could be like Lincoln.- This statement has been written on CAF. Lincoln has been described as the “utopia” of Catholicism. . . :rolleyes:
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Translation “I voted for Obama”
 
Do you have anything more meaningful to comment on? Your post really doesn’t mean anything. . …

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Feanor2 said:
Do you have anything more meaningful to comment on? Your post really doesn’t mean anything. . …

Waiting. . . .
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Well that answers my question Must be rough to continue trying to rationalize your vote given the last 9 months. What did you think when Obam started funding overseas abortions 3 days after he took office.Did it at least make you wonder if perhaps you had made a mistake?
 
Feanor2 said:
The voices of Burke, Bruskewitz, Darcy, and Chaput are in the minority related to the USSCB, unfortunately for their rapt fans dominating CAF.

So I guess %90 of US Bishops are not “real Catholics” your opinion. . . :rolleyes:

If only the USSCB were more politically right wing. . . If only the whole US could be like Lincoln.- This statement has been written on CAF. Lincoln has been described as the “utopia” of Catholicism. . . :rolleyes:
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Source please. I must have missed the statements by each of the US bishops in regard to this issue. Thanks!
 
We need to see real enforcement of this or else it’s just going to look like someone’s suggestion.
 
bellesjoy said:
Archbishop Burke now heads the Apostolic Signatura, the top canonical court in the Vatican. He is citing Canon Law regarding the policy of the Catholic Church. “Shut up”?..he is doing his job. “Shut up”?..how disrespectful.
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I agree that saying the Archbishop should “shut up” is rude, but his comments are not part of his job. He has no role in overseeing the bishops of the US, or any bishops. I think that his views are out of step with the majority of bishops, in the US and everywhere.

This is not the first time that Archbishop Burke has used the media to question the actions of a US bishop. The last time he ended up making a pseudo-retraction. It makes me wonder why he is doing this again.
 
wynnejj said:
Denial of ecclesiastical funerals is the judgment call of the local archbishop. The guidelines for that judgment call is given in Canon 1184 §1. “Some signs of repentance before death” can waive the ordinary prohibition of ecclesiastical funerals for those “manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful”. This is at the discretion of the local ordinary.
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This is true as far as it goes; the problem is that it doesn’t go far enough to cover the question of Kennedy’s funeral.

It appears the Church also requires, as documented by the Council of Trent, that anyone who has committed a grave, public sin do public penance. 1184 basically says that the individual must be given the benefit of the doubt if there is any question about whether he has repented of his sins, but in the case of someone who has not publicly recanted there is no question: he has not been reconciled with the Church.

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Ender said:
This is true as far as it goes; the problem is that it doesn’t go far enough to cover the question of Kennedy’s funeral.

It appears the Church also requires, as documented by the Council of Trent, that anyone who has committed a grave, public sin do public penance. 1184 basically says that the individual must be given the benefit of the doubt if there is any question about whether he has repented of his sins, but in the case of someone who has not publicly recanted there is no question: he has not been reconciled with the Church.

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Where is this “documented by the Council of Trent”? Here’s what Trent says about secret confession:
Canon 6: If anyone denies that sacramental confession was instituted by divine law or is necessary to salvation; or says that the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, which the Catholic Church has always observed from the beginning and still observes, is at variance with the institution and command of Christ and is a human contrivance, let him be anathema.
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Council of Trent, Session XIV, Canon 6.
Moreover, as regards the manner of confessing secretly to a priest alone, although Christ has not forbidden that one may in expiation for his crimes and for his own humiliation, for an example to others as well as for the edification of the Church thus scandalized, confess his offenses publicly, yet this is not commanded by divine precept; nor would it be very prudent to enjoin by human law that offenses, especially secret ones, should be divulged by a public confession. Wherefore, since secret sacramental confession, which holy Church has used from the beginning and still uses, has always been recommended by the most holy and most ancient Fathers with great and unanimous agreement, the empty calumny of those who do not fear to teach that it is foreign to the divine command, is of human origin and owes its existence to the Fathers assembled in the Lateran Council, is convincingly disproved.
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Council of Trent, Session XIV, The Most Holy Sacraments Of Penance And Extreme Unction, ch. 5.

A penitent may confess publicly. I don’t see anything in Trent’s documents that say he may be required to do so. As a matter of fact, the comment that it wouldn’t be prudent to require that offenses be divulged by public confession “especially secret ones,” clearly implies that even public sins need not be confessed publicly.
 
Godfollower said:
Where is this “documented by the Council of Trent”?
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Sacrament of Penance, The Third Part of Penance, Advantages and Satisfaction:

*The Church, therefore, with great wisdom ordained that when anyone had committed a public crime, a public penance should be imposed on him, in order that others, being deterred by fear, might more carefully avoid sin in future. This has sometimes been observed even with regard to secret sins of more than usual gravity.

But with regard to public sinners, as we have already said, they were never absolved until they had performed public penance.*

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I also completely agree with the Archbishop. We are not a Church of softies. Softies sit back and let babies die and say ‘I don’t care’. People who care refuse communion and funerals to murderers, perverts, and people who promote these things.
 
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