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Scoobyshme
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Go, team! Go!!! I wish all the bishops had the intestinal fortitude to speak up like that!
No Compromises: Kansas State Bishops Declare Voting for Abortion Candidate is "Evil
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JimG
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Oops! Sorry!
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Carjack1
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I cannot vote this year. I agree with candidate A on every issue except for abortion and I despise candidate B. So therefore I will not vote. If the Church tells me that I have to vote anyway. I will vote for someone insignificant. I don’t see why the Catholic religion doesn’t come out with their own party so we can vote accordingly.
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JaMc
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I believe the Constitution Party is both pro-life and anti-war, and there may be some other third parties/independents who are as well (granted, most such candidates/parties are pretty far to the right on most other issues). Voting third party, while the candidate will not win, at least makes your voice heard, while abstaining does not count in any way, shape, or form.
I am certainly of the belief that we need an organized “Christian Democratic” lobby - we need to see more Leo XIII in the public political discourse, and less Adam Smith/Karl Marx.
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estesbob
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If not for the fact that two or three liberal Supreme Court justices will retire during the next president’s first term I would say the strategy is okay. However one who is pro-life makes a symbolic vote for the “perfect” candidate it helps ensure the election of a man he who will make sure abortion is the law of the land at least for the rest of our lifetime.
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stinkyweed
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AMEN!!!**** 
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cyberwolf001
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Abstaining is never an option for a Catholic. By Abstaining you are according to Priests for Life effectively voting in the worst candidate.
Your not voting for a lesser evil, your voting for the most good and to control evil…
Your not voting for a lesser evil, your voting for the most good and to control evil…
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thomasf
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I think we have to remember too that more than just not voting for a pro-abortion candidate, we also have to vote to stop abortion, and evil. I’m not real enamored with the pro-life candidate in some of his other stands, voting for that person IS a vote against the pro-abortion candidate. Defeating him does mean defeating potential supreme court justices that will uphold abortion rights.
And something to keep in mind. The current president is NOT running for election. And despite what a certain opposition candidate will tell you, it will not be a 3rd Bush term. There are significant differences between the president and the candidate.
And something to keep in mind. The current president is NOT running for election. And despite what a certain opposition candidate will tell you, it will not be a 3rd Bush term. There are significant differences between the president and the candidate.
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goofyjim
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So again you are telling us we have to vote for only one candidate. I will never buy the logic that dictates even indirectly that we throw our support behind a candidate we can’t agree with. And I can’t agree with either this year.
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estesbob
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If a pro-abortion canidate wins children will contionue to die for another genration. I am sure you can pat yoursefon the back over your symbolic vote but in my mind saving lives trumps symbolism.
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goofyjim
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It still won’t be my fault either.
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goofyjim
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BTW, since when has a vote cast in good consicence ever just been symbolic? Thanks for the stupid accusations.
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estesbob
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If you are truly pro-life but waste you vote on someone who has no chance of winning it makes it more likely the pro-abortion canidate will win. The stakes are just to high this year to throw away our votes.It still won’t be my fault either.
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goofyjim
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I call your vote symbolic. Now stop calling a vote wasted Bob. It would be wasted as well if all I did was vote one issue only.
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snhs
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Abortion is not one issue. It is many millions of issues, I don’t know about you but I take issue that any child can be legally murdered, that any life can be lost in such a way is a damning indictment of any society which claims to be ‘civilised’. Every one of those children is an issue which you should be considering before abstaining, voting for a third party or voting for candidate A.
A vote would not be wasted if it prevents even one of those children who might otherwise die from dying. It will be if we end up with 5, 10, 15 years more of a senseless genocide of our youth. It is moral arrogance for anyone to decide to put a senseless grudge over a war that is already over ahead of saving the lives of innocent children.
Maybe your conscience can rest easy with that burden of being partially responsible for the millions of deaths which will result should candidate A win and his nominations seal a liberal supreme court for another generation, I know I couldn’t.
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goofyjim
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Maybe your conscience can live with falsely accusing me of being responsible just because I won’t vote for one particular candidate. I am still voting prolife as long as I vote against a prochoice one. I am not required to vote only for the viable candidate because demanding everyone support that candidate alone is what makes him a viable candidate. If there are other prolife options out there that are more prolife maybe we should realign things to make that candidate viable.
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snhs
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No he is a viable candidate by virtue of the fact that in every presidential election for the past hundred years or so it has been one of the two parties’ candidates who have won, only those candidates currently have the grassroots and orginaisational support to have any chance of winning the presidency, and even should by some miracle a third party candidate prevail he will be a lame duck with little/no support in Congress.
My conscience is perfectly content with expressing the truth. Any pro life vote not cast for candidate b increases the chances of candidate a prevailing. A secondary result of their vote, and them putting a grudge ahead of balanced judgment, is that the next 3-4 nominations to the Supreme Court will be liberals who will perpetuate and quite possibly extend the culture of death. Every legalised murder which is allowed to occur thereafter is a direct result of the votes cast to elect candidate a, and a secondary result of all votes not cast for candidate b.
At the end of the day you are perfectly entitled to throw your vote anywhere you like. If your wish is to put a grudge over the Iraq War and a few bad policy decisions from the current incumbent ahead of the lives of millions of babies then by all means do so.
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goofyjim
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My conscience is as content as yours. I have not contributed to the killing just because I didn’t support candidate B.
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mike0219116
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How many babies have been killed during the last seven-and-a-half years while a “pro-life” president (and a “pro-life” Congress for part of that time) have been in power? Where’s the Constitutional amendment outlawing abortion? Where’s the Constitutional amendment prohibiting, homosexual “marriage”, cloning, and stem-cell research for that matter?
If this party is so pro-life, then why are they relying on such a subversive, long-term strategy of waiting for Federal judges to croak so they can be replaced with ones who are more desirable? Why aren’t these “pro-life” politicians acting more proactively? I’m beginning to think that they are using the life issue, and their approach to addressing it, as a bargaining chip to insure their long-term political power. I am becoming very, very frustrated with them. I’m still not sure how I will vote in November. I’m almost prepared to write-in my own name on the ballot (seriously).
Finally, I wish the Church would just tell us who to vote for. Do you think Jesus would have cared if his teaching affected His non-profit tax status? I don’t think so, and I don’t understand why His Mystical Body cares either. I’m tired of voters guides and nebulous statements by the hierarchy that are supposed to help me form a Catholic conscience in regards to selecting a political candidate. If these issues are so important, then tell me who to vote for (by name), under the pain of Mortal Sin, and be done with it. If the consequence of this action is that the IRS forces the Church to render unto Caesar what is his, so be it.
If this party is so pro-life, then why are they relying on such a subversive, long-term strategy of waiting for Federal judges to croak so they can be replaced with ones who are more desirable? Why aren’t these “pro-life” politicians acting more proactively? I’m beginning to think that they are using the life issue, and their approach to addressing it, as a bargaining chip to insure their long-term political power. I am becoming very, very frustrated with them. I’m still not sure how I will vote in November. I’m almost prepared to write-in my own name on the ballot (seriously).
Finally, I wish the Church would just tell us who to vote for. Do you think Jesus would have cared if his teaching affected His non-profit tax status? I don’t think so, and I don’t understand why His Mystical Body cares either. I’m tired of voters guides and nebulous statements by the hierarchy that are supposed to help me form a Catholic conscience in regards to selecting a political candidate. If these issues are so important, then tell me who to vote for (by name), under the pain of Mortal Sin, and be done with it. If the consequence of this action is that the IRS forces the Church to render unto Caesar what is his, so be it.
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snhs
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Not yet, you can still make the correct decision.
In the mean time the several million reasons for voting for candidate b continue to cry out for justice. Maybe their voices are still too mute for you to hear, or perhaps you simply refuse to listen to them.
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