No Doubt Now that Iran is Making a Nuke

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gilliam:
Al Qaeda is not the only terrorist organization out there.
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I realize that. However, Al Queda is the one capable of inflicting the greatest amount of damage on the U.S.
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gilliam:
Hezbullah has killed hundereds of Americans already.
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Are you referring to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983? That was during Reagan’s presidency, and after that, Reagan had sense enough to pull out of there because then, as now, there is no interest in Lebanon worth the risk of American lives. After we left, Hezbollah stopped targeting Americans.
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gilliam:
We need to have a global and strategic strategy if we ever expect to overcome all this. Read: The Pentagon’s New Map
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The author seems to be arguing for a system of globalization with America at its vanguard. This is precisely why the United States is facing the terrorist threats it faces. Globalization requires American meddling throughout the world. This is a formula for an American Empire. Wherever empires exist, they are bound to arouse resentments among certain peoples. If the resentments are strong enough and the resenters are weak enough, they resort to terrorism, the ultimate weapon of the weak.
 
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gnjsdad:
I realize that. However, Al Queda is the one capable of inflicting the greatest amount of damage on the U.S.
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Just wait until Hezbullah gets a nuke from Iran! Which is why we can’t let Iran have nukes.
Are you referring to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983? That was during Reagan’s presidency, and after that, Reagan had sense enough to pull out of there because then, as now, there is no interest in Lebanon worth the risk of American lives. After we left, Hezbollah stopped targeting Americans…
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And because he did pull out, he sent a very strong message thoughout the Arab world that the US will not say and fight… that if you inflict enough grief on America, then we will pull away. (they actually use much more sexual terms that I cannot repeat here).
The author seems to be arguing for a system of globalization with America at its vanguard. This is precisely why the United States is facing the terrorist threats it faces. Globalization requires American meddling throughout the world. This is a formula for an American Empire. Wherever empires exist, they are bound to arouse resentments among certain peoples. If the resentments are strong enough and the resenters are weak enough, they resort to terrorism, the ultimate weapon of the weak.
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We live in the world we live in. You cannot turn the clock back to 1800. The two oceans don’t protect us any more. They haven’t since Pearl Harbor. Today airplanes can easily be flown into American sky scrapers by nuts who don’t like the fact that McDonalds is in Saudi Arabia. There is only one real super power in the world that the world has to turn to for protection from tyranny, and that is the US. As a Catholic you know that you must protect the innocent.
 
yeah as a catholic you should know that only the US can have and use nukes on innocent people. we all know the US should just be the word leader. how about everyone disarms except the US? we can just look out for everyone. were good guys, we only used a couple nukes, trust us!😉
 
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gilliam:
Today airplanes can easily be flown into American sky scrapers by nuts who don’t like the fact that McDonalds is in Saudi Arabia.
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That is a topic we can debate in another thread (Why was the U.S. attacked on 9/11) but I can say here that we were not attacked because McDonald’s is in Saudi Arabia. We were attacked for the reasons Bin Laden in his letters to the U.S. says we were attacked, and they have to do with U.S. policies and actions in the region. Please don’t tell me I’m a Bin Laden supporter for pointing this out.
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gilliam:
There is only one real super power in the world that the world has to turn to for protection from tyranny, and that is the US. As a Catholic you know that you must protect the innocent.
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If that’s so, then why was the Pope opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq? Who appointed the United States the world’s designated policeman? Why weren’t we told from the beginning that we went to war in Iraq to protect the innocent from tyranny? Did you know that it has been relaibly estimated that the UN-imposed, U.S.-enforced economic sanctions were responsible for the deaths of up to 500,000 Iraqi children from 1991 to the advent of war? And what about the thousands of civilians killed in the war? How is that ‘protecting the innocent’?
 
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gnjsdad:
If that’s so, then why was the Pope opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
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He wasn’t strictly against it. He wanted us to wait and act if the UN instructed us to. He didn’t know the UN was being bribed by Saddam.
 
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gnjsdad:
That is a topic we can debate in another thread (Why was the U.S. attacked on 9/11) but I can say here that we were not attacked because McDonald’s is in Saudi Arabia. We were attacked for the reasons Bin Laden in his letters to the U.S. says we were attacked, and they have to do with U.S. policies and actions in the region. Please don’t tell me I’m a Bin Laden supporter for pointing this out.

If that’s so, then why was the Pope opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq? Who appointed the United States the world’s designated policeman? Why weren’t we told from the beginning that we went to war in Iraq to protect the innocent from tyranny? Did you know that it has been relaibly estimated that the UN-imposed, U.S.-enforced economic sanctions were responsible for the deaths of up to 500,000 Iraqi children from 1991 to the advent of war? And what about the thousands of civilians killed in the war? How is that ‘protecting the innocent’?
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were only supposed to care about innocent americans, not iraqis :tsktsk:
 
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gnjsdad:
That is a topic we can debate in another thread (Why was the U.S. attacked on 9/11) but I can say here that we were not attacked because McDonald’s is in Saudi Arabia. We were attacked for the reasons Bin Laden in his letters to the U.S. says we were attacked, and they have to do with U.S. policies and actions in the region. Please don’t tell me I’m a Bin Laden supporter for pointing this out.
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I encourage you to start another thread, it would probably be interesting.

I admit it was hyperbole, but they are against us being in Saudi Arabia and they are against ‘Westernization’ presence in Arabia. By the way, this is what bin Laden wants us to do, not necessarily what the Arab people want us to do… at least not after they taste freedom (which is why what we are doing in Iraq and now Lebanon is so important.)

From the letter you mentioned:

*(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you? *

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

*(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you. *

*(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to. *

(4) We also advise you to stop supporting Israel, and to end your support of the Indians in Kashmir, the Russians against the Chechens and to also cease supporting the Manila Government against the Muslims in Southern Philippines.

*5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins. *

*(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington. *
 
Mycroft, you’re right on all points…but you wont find many detractors of this current administration when it comes to the ironic double standard and hypocritical foreign policy of his Royal Majestic Holiness: King-Pope George Bush Jr. :rolleyes:
 
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gnjsdad:
If that’s so, then why was the Pope opposed to the U.S. invasion of Iraq? Who appointed the United States the world’s designated policeman? Why weren’t we told from the beginning that we went to war in Iraq to protect the innocent from tyranny? Did you know that it has been relaibly estimated that the UN-imposed, U.S.-enforced economic sanctions were responsible for the deaths of up to 500,000 Iraqi children from 1991 to the advent of war? And what about the thousands of civilians killed in the war? How is that ‘protecting the innocent’?
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:clapping: You are absolutely right.
 
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