NO!!!! Famous ATHEIST!!!!

[Lazerlike42]

AnAtheist:

No, there isn’t. Unless you’re a Christian of course, then you are not supposed to judge anybody (Mt 7:1; Lk 6:37) .

Actually, that is possibly the most misunderstood and misused statement in all of Scripture. For one thing, the Greek language has many different words which our Bibles render as ‘judge.’

One is ‘anakrino,’ which means to discern. We are supposed to anakrino between good and evil. (e.g., 1 Cor. 2:15)

Another is ‘diakrino,’ which means to actually submit a decision. We are supposed to diakrino on things right and wrong. (e.g., 1 Cor. 6:5)

Another is ‘krisis.’ This word means to judge whether a person is going to Heaven or Hell. This is the kind of judgement we must never ever do.

In fact, we are commanded to judge, but with righteous judgement. (John 7:24)

But I doubt he did that because he is an atheist. Rather because he is an arse.

Nope, I know plenty of atheists whom haven’t left their wives lol

 

[abcdefg]

AnAtheist:

No, there isn’t. Unless you’re a Christian of course, then you are not supposed to judge anybody (Mt 7:1; Lk 6:37) .

when I was an atheist, I would say “go and die” to Armstrong. remember one can’t be an atheist and say “go to hell”.

now it’s still not my business to say “go to hell” to Armstrong. but there’s only righteousness in condemning his behavior

 

[AnAtheist]

Lazerlike42:

Actually, that is possibly the most misunderstood and misused statement in all of Scripture. For one thing, the Greek language has many different words which our Bibles render as ‘judge.’

One is ‘anakrino,’ which means to discern. We are supposed to anakrino between good and evil. (e.g., 1 Cor. 2:15)

Another is ‘diakrino,’ which means to actually submit a decision. We are supposed to diakrino on things right and wrong. (e.g., 1 Cor. 6:5)

Another is ‘krisis.’ This word means to judge whether a person is going to Heaven or Hell. This is the kind of judgement we must never ever do.

This is interesting, I foresee myself learning ancient Greek while posting here. Now the Textus Receptus says ‘krino’ in both verses I mentioned without any prefix.

 

[Lazerlike42]

AnAtheist:

This is interesting, I foresee myself learning ancient Greek while posting here. Now the Textus Receptus says ‘krino’ in both verses I mentioned without any prefix.

Krino just means ‘judge’ in general, in the same way we would use it: for a variety of circumstances depending on the context. I’m not by ANY means an expert lol, but my understanding is that it is used in these passages because they can have different meanings. If we krisis people, we will receive the same krisis we give them. On the other hand, if we just judge people wrongly in a more good/evil way, others will judge us too. For example, if I am always judging others, people are going to be a lot more likely to judge me too, so I’d better be careful I’m judging well, and I’d better be sure I’m being a ‘hupo-krite,’ and being just as bad because people will judge me too. If I don’t judge others, people are probably gonna leave me alone, so if I decide to do it, I’d better do it righteously or ethically or unbiasedly or whatever.

Based on the context, we can tell that Jesus was most likely talking about ‘hupo-krite’ judgement, because He goes on to talk about not removing the speck in a brother’s eye when you have a plank in your own.

That aside, it’s important to read the other references to judgement in the Scriptures to get a more well-rounded picture, because they use the more specific words.

 

[cheddarsox]

carol marie:

Lance lost my admiration when he left his wife and kids. I don’t care what races he wins - from that point on he’s a loser in my book.

Hmmm…how do you feel about St Augustine?

 

[mlchance]

Atreyu:

At least we’ve got Mel in Hollywood looking out for us Catholics. Good old Mel… Did I mention he’s Australian…?

Actually, he’s a citizen of the U.S. of A.

– Mark L. Chance.

P.S. And who cares if Lance Armstrong is an atheist? I mean, aside from the general caring about the state of the man’s soul. It’s not like he was much of a role model in certain respects to begin with.

 

[mlchance]

cheddarsox:

Hmmm…how do you feel about St Augustine?

IIRC, Augustine was never married, and he never abandoned his mistress and son. He severed his sinful relationship with the former, which was the only proper thing to do.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[carol_marie]

cheddarsox:

Hmmm…how do you feel about St Augustine?

I assume St. Augustine repented ???

It’s nothing personal against Lance - I’ve never met the guy. But anyone who leaves their wife/husband and children to shack up with someone else is a loser in my book. Shoot me.

 

[Celia]

Genesis315:

I wasn’t a fan of the guy to begin with. He dropped his wife who stood by him during his cancer in order to run around with celebrity.

That’s my problem with him too. I heard he was dating Sheryl Crow and I’m like, I thought he was married…wasn’t his wife pregnant when he won his first Tour de France? I think I remember that, but it was a while ago…it does surprise me that he’s an atheist though. After all he’s been through.

 

[D_Quintero]

“Is lance Armstrong really an Atheist? I was totally shocked when I heard about this. I think Differently about Lance now.”

I suspect “differently” means “less”. Great. You don’t even know this guy personally, yet you dare to judge him.

You are right , I don’t know the guy personally and I shouldn’t judge. But I was really happy to hear that he defeated cancer and lived a better life. My sister defeated cancer and turned into a very strong Catholic shortly after. I just believe that after a miracle, all you can do is thank God that you lived. I do applaud him for having THE LANCE ARMSTRONG FOUNDATION And I did buy a wristband of his. But all I can do is pray that he can know that there is a God. A God that loves him and all the children that Lance wants to save from Cancer.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Celia:

That’s my problem with him too. I heard he was dating Sheryl Crow and I’m like, I thought he was married…wasn’t his wife pregnant when he won his first Tour de France? I think I remember that, but it was a while ago…it does surprise me that he’s an atheist though. After all he’s been through.

Actually, it does surprise me after all he’s been through. The toughest, most vulnerable moments often bring people back to God.

 

[Orogeny]

carol marie:

Lance lost my admiration when he left his wife and kids. I don’t care what races he wins - from that point on he’s a loser in my book.

AMEN!

Peace

Tim

 

[Fox]

AnAtheist,
No we do not judge his soul, only God does but, we can judge his actions, him leaving his wife for a another is wrong, I am sorry I don’t make the rules, God does. Christians are called to judge peoples actions.

Atre,
Mel is a US citizen he just lived in Australia for a good part of his life.

 

[DaveBj]

Boy, there is a lot of ignorance floating around this thread.

In the first place, he married Kik after his cancer treatments, so there is no “she stood by him while he had cancer” in the equation.

In the second place, both of them have kept the reasons for the breakup and divorce out of the media. I have heard all sorts of things, but the bottom line is that we really don’t know who did what to whom.

In the third place, his “thang” with Sheryl Crow was after the divorce.

I am amazed by Lance’s achievements both as a cancer survivor and as an athlete, but it continually saddens me that he has been given many opportunities to give praise to God–and he hasn’t.

DaveBj

 

[katieq]

Asimov is an athiest ?! Ack, I’m so sad, I loved his writings…gonna have to stick w/ Tolkien then

 

[Fox]

Dave,
He got a divorce at that is wrong. Top it off he is an atheist too, he is so confused. sure he is a great athlete but, he will never win the race when God is his opponent.

 

[Pentecost2005]

D Quintero:

Why LANCE WHY!!!
This can’t be true. Is lance Armstrong really an Atheist? I was totally shocked when I heard about this. I think Differently about Lance now. Is there a celebrity that you are shocked is an atheist? Why?

CELEBATHEISTS

Some of the people in that list have died. I bet they’re not atheists now!

 

[DaveBj]

Fox:

Dave,
He got a divorce at that is wrong. Top it off he is an atheist too, he is so confused. sure he is a great athlete but, he will never win the race when God is his opponent.

Yes, he is divorced, but even after reading his book I don’t know whose fault the divorce is. I’ve even heard a story that she divorced him because she is a devout Catholic and couldn’t stand his atheism. You hear all sorts of things, but the point is we simply don’t know what happened, and they’re not saying, which is their right.

As far as his atheism is concerned, that won’t last a half-second after his death.

DaveBj

 

[Celia]

ElizabethAnne:

Actually, it does surprise me after all he’s been through. The toughest, most vulnerable moments often bring people back to God.

Yeah. That’s what I mean…

 

[There_Go_I]

ElizabethAnne:

Actually, it does surprise me after all he’s been through. The toughest, most vulnerable moments often bring people back to God.

This is where my thoughts are, too. Although, given the work that I do (healthcare) it doesn’t surprise me anymore. Though, I still wonder when those whose lives are threatened with a grave illness, no matter the outcome (life or death), how they are not rendered consciously closer to God.