No Friday abstinence tomorrow (All Saints' Day)

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Just a reminder to everyone in the CAF world — since tomorrow (Friday 1 Nov) is a holy day, All Saints’ Day, Friday abstinence from meat does not oblige tomorrow. I am interpreting this to mean that in the United States, the faithful are not obliged to choose from either abstaining from meat or doing an alternative penance. (The Church never just said that “you can eat meat on Fridays now” and nothing else. You either have to abstain from meat, which is preferred, or choose an alternative penance or act of charity.)

Penance is not in keeping with the spirit of holy days, so I would say if you want to go out and get a nice juicy steak or a burger, fries, and a cold beer, go ahead and enjoy yourself.
 
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CorydonMundi said:
Isn’t the fast still required on solemnities but not feast days?
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Curious about this too…we grew up eating no meat and only fish on these days.
Fasting is something I have not really delved into, but after much reading it is something I need to put into practice.
 
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Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
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However, and I may be wrong here, there are caveats about fasting on those days correct?
I mean is it total abstinence form food or is certain minimalistic foods allowed?
Is it fasting from sunup to sundown?
Those who have to take food with medications?

I am curious about this…
 
From the Apostolic Constitution Paenitemini
III. 1. The law of abstinence forbids the use of meat, but not of eggs, the products of milk or condiments made of animal fat.
  1. The law of fasting allows only one full meal a day, but does not prohibit taking some food in the morning and evening, observing—as far as quantity and quality are concerned—approved local custom.
IV. To the law of abstinence those are bound who have completed their 14th year of age. To the law of fast those of the faithful are bound who have completed their 21st year and up until the beginning of their 60th year.

As regards those of a lesser age, pastors of souls and parents should see to it with particular care that they are educated to a true sense of penitence.
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Unless the law specifies otherwise, a day is reckoned as 24 continuous hours beginning at midnight.

It is generally accepted that no one need fast nor abstain if it would be detrimental to his health.
 
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HomeschoolDad said:
Just a reminder to everyone in the CAF world — since tomorrow (Friday 1 Nov) is a holy day, All Saints’ Day, Friday abstinence from meat does not oblige tomorrow. I am interpreting this to mean that in the United States, the faithful are not obliged to choose from either abstaining from meat or doing an alternative penance. (The Church never just said that “you can eat meat on Fridays now” and nothing else. You either have to abstain from meat, which is preferred, or choose an alternative penance or act of charity.)

Penance is not in keeping with the spirit of holy days, so I would say if you want to go out and get a nice juicy steak or a burger, fries, and a cold beer, go ahead and enjoy yourself.
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Here in the Philippines All Saints Day is not a Holy Day of Obligation. Apart from Sundays we only have three Holy Days of Obligation:

Immaculate Conception (Dec 8)
Christmas/Nativity of Our Lord (Dec 25)
Solemnity of Mary, the Mother of God (jan 1)
 
Confused as the words in quote are not mine. Did you mean to respond to another poster?
 
HomeschoolDad said:
since tomorrow (Friday 1 Nov) is a holy day, All Saints’ Day, Friday abstinence from meat does not oblige
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Friday abstinence does not apply because All Saints is a solemnity, not because it’s an HDO. The way I understand Can. 1251 as quoted by @Titivillus above, Friday abstinence is not to be observed when a solemnity falls on a Friday, whether or not it is also an HDO.
 
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thistle said:
Here in the Philippines All Saints Day is not a Holy Day of Obligation. Apart from Sundays we only have three Holy Days of Obligation:

Immaculate Conception (Dec 8)
Christmas/Nativity of Our Lord (Dec 25)
Solemnity of Mary, the Mother of God (jan 1)
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Actually that kind of surprises me, but it is up to the bishops’ conferences in each country. Nevertheless, All Saints’ Day would still be a solemnity, and penance would not be obligatory.

If it is handled differently in the Philippines, or any other country, I’d be interested to know. America is not a Catholic culture and we have a horrible time trying to teach and remind Catholics of their obligations, such as abstinence from meat (or some alternate penance) on Fridays throughout the year. Those under the age of 40 generally just don’t know. It’s not a concept.
 
Hi, if I remember correctly we can eat meat on Fridays if it’s a solemnity (in those areas that you have to do something like that for friday). This year All Saints Day is on a Friday and it’s a solemnity, would I be able to eat meat?
Thank you 🙂
 
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ProVobis said:
I don’t know. Kind of had a taste for trout tomorrow.
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So have trout. I know you know this, but not eating meat is entirely one’s prerogative when a Friday coincides with a solemnity. Trout sounds good, it’s been decades since I had pan-fried trout.

I once knew a man, married a Catholic and converted, who insisted that you have to eat fish on Fridays of Lent. I told him no, it’s just abstaining from meat, you can eat anything meatless that you want to — cheese casserole, vegetable lasagna, pinto beans and cornbread, whatever. He said no, no, we have to eat fish. There was no persuading him otherwise, so I just gave up.
 
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Just a reminder to everyone in the CAF world — since tomorrow (Friday 1 Nov) is a holy day, All Saints’ Day, Friday abstinence from meat does not oblige tomorrow. I am interpreting this to mean that in the United States, the faithful are not obliged to choose from either abstaining from meat or doing an alternative penance. (The Church never just said that “you can eat meat on Fridays now” and nothing else. You either have to abstain from meat, which is preferred, or choose an alternative pen…
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Traditional Catholic calendars show a fish on days of abstinence, half fish for Ember Days.

A fish was a Christian symbol in the early Church.
 
ProVobis said:
Traditional Catholic calendars show a fish on days of abstinence, half fish for Ember Days.

A fish was a Christian symbol in the early Church.
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Nobody under the age of 75 would have the foggiest notion what “Ember Days” even are.


I always assumed that the name referred to the cooling of some kind of embers, perhaps spiritual ones, a kind of mini-Lent. Learn something new every day…
 
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My Priest told me meat shouldn’t be eaten on Friday year-round.
 
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Nobody under the age of 75 would have the foggiest notion what “Ember Days” even are.
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Actually, I keep Ember Days and a lot of traditionalists do also. The next set come up in December. I fast and do the readings for the day out of an old missal. And I’m several decades under 75.
I do not do half abstinence, I do the full abstinence because it’s too hard to keep track of half abstinence.
A lot of people on this forum and any Catholic forum with traditionalists know about Ember Days and Rogation Days. Fisheaters has good information pages on them.

Fasting days and Emberings be
Lent, Whitsun, Holyrood, and Lucie.
 
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PeaceBeWithYou said:
My Priest told me meat shouldn’t be eaten on Friday year-round.
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I’m sure he didn’t mean “including on a solemnity” as it is a rule for the whole Church that you don’t fast or abstain on solemnities.

As for all the other Fridays, in USA we’re allowed to substitute a different penance, except during Lent. In some other countries you have to abstain from meat on Fridays year-round (except when a solemnity falls on Friday) and you cannot substitute a different penance.
 
Titivillus said:
With emphasis added.
Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
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Is “solemnity” synonymous with a 1st class feast?
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