No Muslims Allowed

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Gee, I wonder how many people actually know what the Church teaches about discriminating against someone just because of their faith. hmm…
Well, there are discriminatory practices taught to young people through the Koran that Jews and Christians are to be taxed higher than Muslims and if they refuse to pay those taxes then violence against them is acceptable.

…but according to your logic, that kind of discrimination against someone of another faith is acceptable because…🤷

I dont get it. 🤷 why can they discriminate?
 
Well, there are discriminatory practices taught to young people through the Koran that Jews and Christians are to be taxed higher than Muslims and if they refuse to pay those taxes then violence against them is acceptable.

…but according to your logic, that kind of discrimination against someone of another faith is acceptable because…🤷

I dont get it. 🤷 why can they discriminate?
Well thank you for completely ignoring my question. Last I checked what other faiths teach didn’t actually matter in regards to what the we Catholics are supposed to believe or do because, unlike the other faiths, ours is complete in the truth.

Frankly, the only reason anyone would even pose your above would be because they held that all faiths are of equal value in regards to the completeness of truth, or believed that our faith taught “do onto others as they do to you.”
 
Well thank you for completely ignoring my question. Last I checked what other faiths teach didn’t actually matter in regards to what the we Catholics are supposed to believe or do because, unlike the other faiths, ours is complete in the truth.

Frankly, the only reason anyone would even pose your above would be because they held that all faiths are of equal value in regards to the completeness of truth, or believed that our faith taught “do onto others as they do to you.”
Well if Muslims come to America then they cant be allowed to believe in that. Nobody gets a free pass on violence here. Not even Muslims. But that attitude is taught from a young age. We need to remove that kind of hate by forcing a Western Koranic edition.

…then we wont need to discriminate against them anymore. Thats a solution for pea e, and i dont think the church is opposed to it.
 
Well if Muslims come to America then they cant be allowed to believe in that. Nobody gets a free pass on violence here. Not even Muslims. But that attitude is taught from a young age. We need to remove that kind of hate by forcing a Western Koranic edition.

…then we wont need to discriminate against them anymore. Thats a solution for pea e, and i dont think the church is opposed to it.
Seriously? We need to force people to believe and think a certain way so we don’t have to discriminate against them anymore? Wow. Just wow. Thanks for reminding me why I do my best to avoid holding a discussion with you.
 
Seriously? We need to force people to believe and think a certain way so we don’t have to discriminate against them anymore? Wow. Just wow. Thanks for reminding me why I do my best to avoid holding a discussion with you.
So you deny that discrimination towards muslims exists now…? Whats the topic of this thread? Yet youre not interested in solutions.

Probably you thought i meant Catholics. 🤷
 
Your above in no way addresses my comment. The other poster stated he understood why the owner put up a “No Muslims” sign. I’m asking if he would have a similar understanding for a “No Priests” or “No Catholics” sign based on a similar illogical and frankly bigoted claim against all priests and all Catholics.

As for equality, you’re the only one trying to force that topic into this discussion. This topic actually has nothing to do with equality. It has to do with the Church’s teaching on just and unjust discrimination. The owner’s actions fall into the unjust discrimination category.
Going back to your “Priest” example, people have left the Church because of scandal. As painful as it is to say, I’d surmise there are some people who would not allow their children to be left alone with a Priest. I’m even aware of an example of this but see, this is a unique case just like the one this thread is about.

Yes, and one could have the same scenario with a sign if circumstances led up to it at say, a daycare center.

What those who like to judge others as being discriminating against others may in fact, be a choice for the well-being of their workplace and customers. Constitutionally, we have a right to defend ourselves as well.
 
Going back to your “Priest” example, people have left the Church because of scandal. As painful as it is to say, I’d surmise there are some people who would not allow their children to be left alone with a Priest. I’m even aware of an example of this but see, this is a unique case just like the one this thread is about.

Yes, and one could have the same scenario with a sign if circumstances led up to it at say, a daycare center.

What those who like to judge others as being discriminating against others may in fact, be a choice for the well-being of their workplace and customers. Constitutionally, we have a right to defend ourselves as well.
The only issue I have with your proposal, is that once these signs become known, there may be widespread retaliation by extremists -which might cause some business owners to feel too intimidated to post such a sign -even in highly sensitive situations.

I’m left wondering still if the teachings of inferiority in regards to non-muslims that the Koran teaches are the core problem… Just the thought of having some divine right to lord-over other people seems to be the issue globally. But we could fix that here by fixing the way Islam is taught. Because discrimination being taught here, whether public or private, is not good for the common good of our society -especially when its taught at a young age.
 
Going back to your “Priest” example, people have left the Church because of scandal. As painful as it is to say, I’d surmise there are some people who would not allow their children to be left alone with a Priest. I’m even aware of an example of this but see, this is a unique case just like the one this thread is about.

Yes, and one could have the same scenario with a sign if circumstances led up to it at say, a daycare center.

What those who like to judge others as being discriminating against others may in fact, be a choice for the well-being of their workplace and customers. Constitutionally, we have a right to defend ourselves as well.
And said sign at the daycare would be just as unjust as the “No Muslim” sign at the shooting range or as a “No Blacks” sign at a gas station that has been robbed by someone who was black. As for our Constitutional right to defend ourselves, yeah that’s contingent upon an actual threat. Just being a Muslim, yeah doesn’t actually meet the criteria set forth by our legal system (apparently our legal system has replaced Church teachings on what one can or can not do). Same way just being a Priest or a Catholic isn’t grounds to have you placed on the sex offenders list.
 
And said sign at the daycare would be just as unjust as the “No Muslim” sign at the shooting range or as a “No Blacks” sign at a gas station that has been robbed by someone who was black. As for our Constitutional right to defend ourselves, yeah that’s contingent upon an actual threat. Just being a Muslim, yeah doesn’t actually meet the criteria set forth by our legal system (apparently our legal system has replaced Church teachings on what one can or can not do). Same way just being a Priest or a Catholic isn’t grounds to have you placed on the sex offenders list.
I’m not aware of where blacks or Catholics are presently engaged in wanton violence, genocide, killing hundreds of people a day, I missed that.

Also, the legal system has not spoken on this. This lady may well be in her rights to self-defense.
 
I’m not aware of where blacks or Catholics are presently engaged in wanton violence, genocide, killing hundreds of people a day, I missed that.

Also, the legal system has not spoken on this. This lady may well be in her rights to self-defense.
The estimated rate of child abusers within Catholic clergy is between 4 and 10%. How many Muslims in the world do you estimate are going around engaging in “wanton violence, genocide, killing hundreds of people a day”? 64 million? That’s 4% of the worldwide Muslim population (est 1.6 billion). Using your logic, there should be “No Priests” and “No Catholic” signs everywhere.

But, that’s besides the point. Church teachings aren’t based on what others do. They’re based on God’s Law. The Church holds discriminating against someone based on their faith is unjust.
 
The estimated rate of child abusers within Catholic clergy is between 4 and 10%. How many Muslims in the world do you estimate are going around engaging in “wanton violence, genocide, killing hundreds of people a day”? 64 million? That’s 4% of the worldwide Muslim population (est 1.6 billion). Using your logic, there should be “No Priests” and “No Catholic” signs everywhere.

But, that’s besides the point. Church teachings aren’t based on what others do. They’re based on God’s Law. The Church holds discriminating against someone based on their faith is unjust.
Consider too, these Muslims may not be citizens of the US and so may be limited as to their recourse in this incident but if they can sue they should.

Yes, there could be a threat because they are not even legal citizens. One of the people could not provide citizenship. We don’t know the full facts.

Let’s see, there are more than a billion Muslims in the world, about 10% support the violence, so if that is 10% of a billion, that is 100,000,000 that support the violence. But we will go with your 4% figure, that means there are** 40,000, 000 possible terrorists** in the world with open borders and it would appear you are against Americans defending themselves. How do people like those odds??

The Catholic Church as well, does not discriminate against homosexuals but a lot of people would not agree.

The Catholic Church allows persons to defend themselves and Pope Francis came out criticizing Fundamentalist Muslims.
 
That’s beyond the pail. I hope that something is done about this and fast.
Beyond the pale
😃

I agree in the sense they should let them in. It’s not good to exclude anyone from their 2nd Amendment right.

I hope these folks realize we’ve got Muslims working for us in the CIA.
 
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I agree in the sense they should let them in. It’s not good to exclude anyone from their 2nd Amendment right.

I hope these folks realize we’ve got Muslims working for us in the CIA.
40,000,000 adherents to Radical Islam, we are talking about being involved with the movement instead of just supporting it which is another 10% of the 1.6 billion. Maybe the two figures overlap, but I’ve got to say 40,000,000 would be a lot of radicals.

The woman was threatened, they had the Allahu Akbar ringtones, maybe they look suspicious to her, there are other customers and concerns when someone owns a shooting range.
 
40,000,000 adherents to Radical Islam, we are talking about being involved with the movement instead of just supporting it which is another 10% of the 1.6 billion. Maybe the two figures overlap, but I’ve got to say 40,000,000 would be a lot of radicals.

The woman was threatened, they had the Allahu Akbar ringtones, maybe they look suspicious to her, there are other customers and concerns when someone owns a shooting range.
-Was the woman threatened in the past- Yep
-Does it matter that one can conclude that she “went looking for a fight” in regards to Islam/Radical Islam- Nope *
-Is it reasonable to assume she was concerned for her safety regarding these two individuals based on the what we know (poor English, information request, and yes here the ringtone is a valid indicator)- Yep
-Would she have been within her rights and acting morally by asking those two individuals to leave her establishment- As far as I can tell, Yep.
-Would she be within her rights and acting morally by barring these two individuals from returning to her establishment- As far as I can tell, Yep.
-Would doing so make her anti-Muslim- Nope, she didn’t kick them out because of their faith, she kicked them out due to specific actions on their part that concerned her
-Is she justified in assuming all Muslims pose a danger to her- Nope, review Arkansas and US crime stats and worldwide terrorist attacks if you doubt this
-Is she acting justly by barring all Muslims from her establishment- Nope, review Church teachings regarding just discrimination (not letting those two individuals use her range) and unjust discrimination (not letting any Muslim use her range)*
 
I have and will continue to hold the door open for a Muslim woman that might be wearing a long veil, burka I think, I rarely see hijabs but I have. Those kinds of women are often with men probably according to their law.

I have had numerous Muslim friends, one who didn’t want to go to the local Islamic Center, calling it clickish it sounds like, whatever it was, he was a devout good person, he was from Egypt, I think one can see how radicals are about when the Muslim Brotherhood had to be tossed out and it seems some Palestinian leaders are pretty radical as well.
 
:nope: Sometimes I wonder if the next step in this country will be red crescent patches.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I laughed when I read this comment, because this thread is solid proof of what I’ve been saying all along.

First, there is zero chance of Muslims being rounded up because liberals and secularists race out to defend Islam at any and every chance and mainstream moderates and conservatives would oppose it.

However, there is the chance that those who do not “believe” (interesting vocabulary word for science) in climate change or WHITE Catholics/Christians who own a cake business or lodging and refuse service to practicing homosexuals will be disciplined beyond mere fines. :mad:

I sure wish the left were as adamant about defending these Christian businesses as they are defending Muslims at every single turn. :rolleyes: :mad:
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I laughed when I read this comment, because this thread is solid proof of what I’ve been saying all along.

First, there is zero chance of Muslims being rounded up because liberals and secularists race out to defend Islam at any and every chance and mainstream moderates and conservatives would oppose it.

However, there is the chance that those who do not “believe” (interesting vocabulary word for science) in climate change or WHITE Catholics/Christians who own a cake business or lodging and refuse service to practicing homosexuals will be disciplined beyond mere fines. :mad:

I sure wish the left were as adamant about defending these Christian businesses as they are defending Muslims at every single turn. :rolleyes: :mad:
And what does the Church teach about discrimination based solely on a person’s faith? Yeah, that it’s unjust and immoral. Gee, if only some Catholics spent as much time and effort learning and living their faith as they do defending their politics.
 
=oldcatholicguy;12380529]And what does the Church teach about discrimination based solely on a person’s faith?
That it’s not as important as life and marriage issues in the voting booth.

:tiphat:
Yeah, that it’s unjust and immoral. Gee, if only some Catholics spent as much time and effort learning and living their faith as they do defending their politics.
:rolleyes:

Kinda like how the same liberal voices go on racism patrol :onpatrol: or stampede ahead of CAIR to defend Islam, but then are silent or even take up positions against the Church when a Christian business refuses practicing homosexuals?
learning and living their faith as they do defending their politics.
We can walk and chew gun at the same time. It’s really not that hard.

And I know a lot of folks would love it for people like me would just shut-up about the marriage and life issue against the wishes and wisdom of the Churchand instead act like unions are always good, the highest minimum wage is the best, the climate is going to kill us all unless we go back to water wheels and windmills, that Muslims and GLBTQ persons are going to be internment camps (despite getting all kinds of free passes and special rights and privileges), racism is anywhere and everywhere, and “evil” rich people will take our money and run laughing at us.

Trust me, I do see the News Forums and I do have some, ahem, interesting e-mails… :rolleyes:

I think maybe I need to start advertising the Clubhouse more. 😃
 
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