No Muslims Allowed

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GaryTaylor said:
We haven’t proved assimilation with Islam and because of its process of conversion by the sword and being social politically inclusive in its religious practice I’d say its in conflict today with above as its definitely a contrast concern to the American way of life by insistent agenda and violence. Its incompatible without separation of Church and state. We have already assimilated to this here. We have no issue here with violent Christians killing in Gods name contrary to Americas laws and constitution. Islam began flourishing here approx 50 years ago. How many years have we been back and forth with islamic terrorism 35? This has never occured with any assimilation process. Id say we have a major issue.
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So we don’t have any examples of, say for instance, Christians murdering doctors and/or bombing abortion clinics in the name of God and using their particular version of Christianity to justify their acts? And we don’t have say, racist groups and organizations that label themselves as Christian and claim that their racism and related acts of violence are justified by their faith?

As for this “has never occurred with any assimilation process”- What American history books are you using? I’m pretty sure, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the assimilation process of the Native Americans into the US culture was rather far more bloody and horrible and over a much longer period than anything we are seeing regarding the assimilation of Muslims into the US culture. Oh wait, I see where I went wrong, that doesn’t count because the victims weren’t of European descent. I guess the would also exclude the assimilation process of Americans of African descent, Asian descent, Hispanics, etc, etc, etc. Silly me.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
You haven’t seen anyone on here who would " defend a business right to refuse to serve Blacks or anyone else they deem undesirable"? Really? Have you read the comments in this thread alone of people supporting this woman banning all Muslims from her business? Or do Muslims not count as people?
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Yes ,I am fully aware of the subject of this thread. I was responding Ringils post re members here supporting discrimination against blacks and anyone else the deem undesirable. This was infammatory and intellectually dishonest.
 
I can understand this woman’s fears, however, would this really stop potential terrorists? They could get training elsewhere to shoot far range rifles and other guns.

The terroists of 9/11 got instruction at a flight school here in the USA. (BTW, did this lead to the banning of muslims from flight schools?)

The killer at Fort Hood was a SOLDIER that was a psychiatrist.

The Boston Bombers were refugees from…?
 
oldcatholicguy said:
So your assumption is that “anyone else they deem undesirable” automatically refers to people with SSA? Interesting.
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Considering the ad nauseaum debates re Christian baker’s ,florists,etc. and their being coerced by the law to participate in SS marriages,even though doing that tramples on their civil rights and the number of bleeding hearts on this forum who thinkthey should be forced,it is a reasonable assumption to make;)
 
Jeanne_S said:
Considering the ad nauseaum debates re Christian baker’s ,florists,etc. and their being coerced by the law to participate in SS marriages,even though doing that tramples on their civil rights and the number of bleeding hearts on this forum who thinkthey should be forced,it is a reasonable assumption to make;)
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A reasonable assumption over say the trampling over of the civil rights of Muslims going on in this thread about a woman refusing to allow Muslims to use her range based solely on their religion?
 
Exiled_Child said:
This woman scares me in the same way the humanitarian bombers in D.C. do!
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jediliz said:
I can understand this woman’s fears, however, would this really stop potential terrorists? They could get training elsewhere to shoot far range rifles and other guns.

The terroists of 9/11 got instruction at a flight school here in the USA. (BTW, did this lead to the banning of muslims from flight schools?)

The killer at Fort Hood was a SOLDIER that was a psychiatrist.

The Boston Bombers were refugees from…?
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I totally respect people’s opinions but I hope it is based on facts from the story, this excerpt of an article from the previous page shows that there seem to be extenuating circumstances. One needs to see too, from her vantage point imho.
Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range owner Jan Morgan said in an online post that she was banning Muslims **out of fear **that one of them might slaughter other customers.
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“This is not a coffee and donut shop. This is a live fire indoor shooting range,” Morgan wrote in the bizarre missive, posted Sunday and reported by the Arkansas Times.
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“The Koran (which I have read and studied thoroughly) … contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam,” she said.
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“Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?”
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On the site, Morgan identifies herself as a “nationally recognized 2nd Amendment Advocate,” NRA certified firearms instructor, journalist, Tea Partier and gun-rights lecturer.
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Her shooting range is in Hot Springs, about an hour south of Little Rock.
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In the post, Morgan said Muslims have threatened her life and cited 9/11, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Fort Hood massacre and the recent beheading at a Oklahoma food distribution center as reasons why they cannot be trusted.
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“This is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of muslims to substantiate my position that muslims can and may follow the directives in their Koran and kill here at home.”
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nydailynews.com/news/national/arkansas-gun-nut-declares-shooting-range-muslim-free-zone-article-1.1959308 (a website my virus browser software does not like btw)
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So let’s at least judge or analyze her from the facts of the story.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
A reasonable assumption over say the trampling over of the civil rights of Muslims going on in this thread about a woman refusing to allow Muslims to use her range based solely on their religion?
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Yeah,pretty much.I f you go back an re read my initial and only post on this thread,I was taking issue with Ringil implying that there are people on this forum that would approve of discriminating against blacks and anyone else they deemed undesirable. This is what I found inflammatory,since to the best of my memory,I have never read a post indicating anyone here condones inequitable behaviors towards blacks.Additionally as I stated before the ongoing debate re SS marriage as it pertains to Christians being opposed,would be the only other issue in which members here have disagreed.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Yes ,I am fully aware of the subject of this thread. I was responding Ringils post re members here supporting discrimination against blacks and anyone else the deem undesirable. This was infammatory and intellectually dishonest.
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No, not t all.

Seen the signs. . . . “No irish, Now Jews, No Blacks”.

This cosmopolitan lady from Arkansas has simply changed “jew” to “muslim”.

Historically, race has often, very often, been held as a category of exclusion (discrimination) along-side religious faith.

Surely you know this.

Not to mention that some posting on this thread have stated that a business should indeed be able to exclude anyone on any basis they choose- an homage to the almighty “free market” and a tribute to “freedom”.
 
GaryTaylor said:
We haven’t proved assimilation with Islam and because of its process of conversion by the sword and being social politically inclusive in its religious practice I’d say its in conflict today with above as its definitely a contrast concern to the American way of life by insistent agenda and violence. Its incompatible without separation of Church and state. We have already assimilated to this here. We have no issue here with violent Christians killing in Gods name contrary to Americas laws and constitution. Islam began flourishing here approx 50 years ago. How many years have we been back and forth with islamic terrorism 35? This has never occured with any assimilation process. Id say we have a major issue.
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As I pointed out in post #190, the vast majority of Muslims in the US do not adopt the literal interpretation of the Koran in the areas you criticize. And in fact they have assimilated into American society. There are professionals in all walks of life. They are members of PTA, Boy Scouts, Chamber of Commerce, etc. You get a very distorted view of American Muslims if you expect them all to be like the 9-11 hijackers. You might just as well learn what it is to be a Christian by observing the life of Jim Jones.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Considering the ad nauseaum debates re Christian baker’s ,florists,etc. and their being coerced by the law to participate in SS marriages,even though doing that tramples on their civil rights and the number of bleeding hearts on this forum who thinkthey should be forced,it is a reasonable assumption to make;)
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You know what they say about assumptions. . . . . 🙂
 
ok,forget the SSA comment.However I still take umbrage with Ringil’s most uncharitable and untrue comments re members here indicating discriminatory opinions re blacks.He made that one up!
 
ringil said:
No, not t all.

Seen the signs. . . . “No irish, Now Jews, No Blacks”.

This cosmopolitan lady from Arkansas has simply changed “jew” to “muslim”.

Historically, race has often, very often, been held as a category of exclusion (discrimination) along-side religious faith.

Surely you know this.

Not to mention that some posting on this thread have stated that a business should indeed be able to exclude anyone on any basis they choose- an homage to the almighty “free market” and a tribute to “freedom”.
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This cosmopolitan lady from Arkansas has simply changed “jew” to “muslim”.
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If you don’t know the facts of the story, I would encourage you to read this article.

nydailynews.com/news/national/arkansas-gun-nut-declares-shooting-range-muslim-free-zone-article-1.1959308
 
Path_Finder said:
I totally respect people’s opinions but I hope it is based on facts from the story, this excerpt of an article from the previous page shows that there seem to be extenuating circumstances. One needs to see too, from her vantage point imho.

So let’s at least judge or analyze her from the facts of the story.
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I think people tend to do whatever they want, and then later they find illogical ways to verbally rationalize their behavior. That’s all I was saying with my earlier post.
 
Path_Finder said:
I totally respect people’s opinions but I hope it is based on facts from the story, this excerpt of an article from the previous page shows that there seem to be extenuating circumstances. One needs to see too, from her vantage point imho.

So let’s at least judge or analyze her from the facts of the story.
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You highlight her fear.

One of the central myths of pre-Civil RIghts in the US- especially in the South, was that Black men couldn’t control their lust and desire to rape black women. This caused widespread fear and justified subjugation, segregation, and contributed to the fears of white women.

It is ALWAYS fear that drives discrimination.
 
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