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Richardols
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Just love your charitable attitude towards the bishop.
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Ecce_homo_1
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Should I have called him a great defender of the Blessed Sacrament?
(Not for nothing but your dialogue with me is pretty uncharitable and patronizing FWIW…)
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Richardols
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Well put.
Maybe so. I don’t think that even all the bishops on earth march in lockstep anymore, and B16 hasn’t turned out to be The Scourge some of the “conservatives” thought he was put on earth to be.
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Ecce_homo_1
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Agreed I retract calling the Bishop a “stooge” I don’t however retract the “no backbone” comment because I think it’s actually pretty charitable compared to what “his excellency” can be accused of.
I see this is a hot topic, I promised myself I wouldn’t engage in them anymore.
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Ecce_homo_1
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But that would be a lie, and then where would I be? If the Bishop actually believes that the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, I do not know how he can allow Nancy Pelosi probably the most notorious and powerful pro-abortion politician whose policies and voting record has done more for abortion advancement than any single member of the US Government to recieve HIM in Holy Communion? There’s simply no way if you look at the history of our Church that this would’ve flown for Bishops, the actions of the Bishops in these cases are NOT above criticism.
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b_justb
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Engage ! Enagage! Passionate is good, in my book. And I know you love my book
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Richardols
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Your obsession with Mrs. Pelosi’s sins amazes me. As if a public rebuke to her would make abortion vanish and see all the Catholics in Congress by example publicly repent of whatever sins they’ve ever committed.
It’s enough that she has excommunicated herself - that’s a fact, and I leave it to God to deal with her.
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Ecce_homo_1
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I’m not a sit back type of guy… that’s setting up a strawman you’re defeating an argument I never made. I never said anything of the sort. However not calling error error and allowing it to pervade within the Church is turning a blind eye to serious sin. The Blessed Sacrament has provided miracle after miracle, the lack of respect for the Blessed Sacrament is the ROOT cause of ALL problems in the Church today.
It is the Bishop’s DUTY to ensure that Mrs. Pelosi does not receive Holy Communion. ESPECIALLY if she is excommunicated and outside the sacraments, if that’s the case then Mrs. Pelosi is in grave danger of drinking serious judgment upon herself, and it’s the Bishops duty as her shepherd to show her the error of her ways. And tell her that she is outside the sacraments and recieving them while outside the Church is damning her immortal soul.
For Mrs. Pelosi’s sake she should be refrained from receiving Holy Communion for the sake of her soul, because as Pope Saint Felix III said:
“Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
-Pope St. Felix III
Very wise words, and of course you won’t mind if I take them as better counsel than ‘Richardols’ from CAF boards?
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Our Lord *entrusted *the Church with the Sacrament of the Eucharist and the Truth. Separating them (by refusal to believe) in either but still receive is “profaning the Body and Blood of the Lord.”(St.Paul).
Richard, If you were at Calvary, in the historical scene, and you knew that Jesus had already paid the price of sin but someone (soldier) decided to give his dead mutilated body one extra jab with his weapon and you were able to stop him without any harm to yourself would’nt you?
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Richardols
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Ecce_homo;1845378"**Not to oppose error is to approve it; [/quote said:
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Richardols
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Paid the price??? Unless I’m really mistaken, the Catholic position on the Atonement isn’t the same as the mostly Evangelical sin payment position.
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b_justb
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So, is this you would or would not take actions so that our Lord’s body wasn’t desecrated, what ever one’s view point of Atonement is? Or do you find the question unfair?
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Ecce_homo_1
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Will do Rich, you don’t mind if I chuckle over the incredible irony of you talking about my uncharitable posts while you attack me with posts that are patronizing and dripping in sarcasm do you?
Or is charity to you only not calling one names… But patronizing them and using sarcasm to brow beat them is somehow charitable?
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Richardols
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I can’t respond to fantasy conjectures.
BTW, the Lord’s body wasn’t desecrated when that Roman stabbed Him. It was the fulfillment of the Scriptures, and the Roman was doing what was usually done to see if the condemned was dead.
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b_justb and Richard,
It sounds as if you two are saying that we who think the bishops allowing pro abortion politicians to receive the Euchrist and call themselves Catholic is not a scandal and we should just close our mouths and let the bishops be. I hope I am reading you wrong because if I am not then what right do we have to be upset at Cardinal Law and others who covered up the child abuse scandals? I believe it is our duty to point out when we believe the bishops to be in error and if they disagree they should give a reason for their decision.
It sounds as if you two are saying that we who think the bishops allowing pro abortion politicians to receive the Euchrist and call themselves Catholic is not a scandal and we should just close our mouths and let the bishops be. I hope I am reading you wrong because if I am not then what right do we have to be upset at Cardinal Law and others who covered up the child abuse scandals? I believe it is our duty to point out when we believe the bishops to be in error and if they disagree they should give a reason for their decision.
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Richardols
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What sarcasm? I cited directly an admonition about uncharity towards the hierarchy after you demonstrted such uncharity.
Okay, I apologize for saying that you had an obsession with the Speaker’s sins. I cannot read your heart and ought not to have said that.
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While I am very hesitant in supporting the denial of the Eucharist due to personal issues which may involve two/sides or he said/she said kind of disagreements, the public record on this issue seems clear. We have a politician who is, at the very least, working to enable those who support and desire abortion. Abortion not only represents a grave moral danger to our nation, but a demographic one, as well. In a certain literal sense, abortion doctors are flushing our future down the drains. As a politican, then, she is indirectly facilitating the damaging effect of abortion upon our national demographics. And, as a professd believer, her actions are at odds with her words–to put it as nicely as possible. Spiritual hypocrisy.
Bishop Sheen said some wonderful things about the Eucharist in a message I listened to on tape. In his homily (to priests, I believe), he emphasized the abosoulte necessity to avoid receiving the Eucharist in an unworthy manner. He said it posed a PHYSICAL danger as well as spiritual. I’d suggest that the bishop who is allowing Pelosi to receive the Eucharist is on very shaky ground indeed. I think the action (or inaction, in this case) places both of them in spiritual danger.
If there is evil, we need to confront it–not appease it. I know it is not easy to do, but we all should do what is within our own power to ensure that there is an outcry over this sad state of affairs. It’s simple… If Pelosi supports abortion, it is beyond hypocritical for her to be receiving the body, soul, and divinity of our Lord in the Eucharist.
Bishop Sheen said some wonderful things about the Eucharist in a message I listened to on tape. In his homily (to priests, I believe), he emphasized the abosoulte necessity to avoid receiving the Eucharist in an unworthy manner. He said it posed a PHYSICAL danger as well as spiritual. I’d suggest that the bishop who is allowing Pelosi to receive the Eucharist is on very shaky ground indeed. I think the action (or inaction, in this case) places both of them in spiritual danger.
If there is evil, we need to confront it–not appease it. I know it is not easy to do, but we all should do what is within our own power to ensure that there is an outcry over this sad state of affairs. It’s simple… If Pelosi supports abortion, it is beyond hypocritical for her to be receiving the body, soul, and divinity of our Lord in the Eucharist.
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Richardols
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Good points, but is there any expectation that those who are angry (or worse) with the Archbishop are going to go to the Chancellery Offices in a group and confront him and demand action? How about an ad in the secular papers to present their viewpoint? (You know, "An Open Letter to…) What letters have been sent to the diocesan paper?
Has Rome been petitioned? Has Benedict been informed?
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