No Prayer allowed?-Coach steps down

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Way to go coach!!!

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Coach resigns after high school bans pregame prayer

Associated Press

EAST BRUNSWICK, N.J. – A veteran central New Jersey high school football coach has resigned after being told by school officials he could no longer lead his team in pregame prayer.

East Brunswick coach Marcus Borden was told last Friday by Schools Superintendent Jo Ann Magistro that some parents had complained about prayers Borden initiated at pregame meals and before the games.

After being told he would have to stop leading or taking part in the prayers, Borden stepped down from his position, just hours before his team’s 21-0 loss to Sayreville that evening.

“I believe that I made the right decision,” said Borden, a Catholic. “I believe I made a decision based on principle. I believe that’s who I am.”
 
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MrS:
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/519.gif The school board should reject his resignation, or be called for roughing the (Hail Mary) Passer
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Ummm… Reject his resignation. I cannot see how they could do that other than to then fire or reprimand him. That would be considered retaliation and that will cost them big time in a lawsuit.

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I hope one of the local diocesan high schools offered him a job.
 
What is the freakin’ questions here?!!! Church and State are to be separate in the United States of America!

If we force kids into public schools, we cannot throw out the Constitution. It does not matter what group is in the majority, their Will cannot be forced on others.

A coach saying “let’s pray” and praying to a Christian god is a horrible situation for someone who does not believe in Christianity.

I’ve been there and there is no way a kid is going to back away and not go along with the crowd. So we bow our heads and pretend to worship YOUR god in fear of being persecuted if we don’t and trust me, we will be persecuted if we don’t go along with it.

It is absolutely the most simple and clear position…

Pray if you want to pray. Do it in the parking lot with your family; do it in the locker room to prepare yourself for the game; do it on the sidelines with your friends…BUT DO NOT allow a public servant, a teacher, a coach lead it!!! IT IS CONSTITUTIONALLY WRONG!!!

Why is the coach any different than a 3rd period teacher? Wouldn’t it seem weird if Ms. Grayhair said the lord’s prayer before science class? Actually, it would be really wierd because much of Christianity doesn’t make much scientific sense, but never mind.

If a coach wants to force his players to pray, he should apply at a Christian private school. It really is simple and I simply can’t understand the controversy. “Separation of Church and State”…READ IT, LEARN IT, UNDERSTAND IT!!!
 
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gholick:
What is the freakin’ questions here?!!! Church and State are to be separate in the United States of America!

If we force kids into public schools, we cannot throw out the Constitution. It does not matter what group is in the majority, their Will cannot be forced on others.

A coach saying “let’s pray” and praying to a Christian god is a horrible situation for someone who does not believe in Christianity.

I’ve been there and there is no way a kid is going to back away and not go along with the crowd. So we bow our heads and pretend to worship YOUR god in fear of being persecuted if we don’t and trust me, we will be persecuted if we don’t go along with it.

It is absolutely the most simple and clear position…

Pray if you want to pray. Do it in the parking lot with your family; do it in the locker room to prepare yourself for the game; do it on the sidelines with your friends…BUT DO NOT allow a public servant, a teacher, a coach lead it!!! IT IS CONSTITUTIONALLY WRONG!!!

Why is the coach any different than a 3rd period teacher? Wouldn’t it seem weird if Ms. Grayhair said the lord’s prayer before science class? Actually, it would be really wierd because much of Christianity doesn’t make much scientific sense, but never mind.

If a coach wants to force his players to pray, he should apply at a Christian private school. It really is simple and I simply can’t understand the controversy. “Separation of Church and State”…READ IT, LEARN IT, UNDERSTAND IT!!!
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Please show me where the “Separation of Church and State” appears in the U.S. Constitution. It doesn’t. The only thing that the U.S. Constitution protects against is the establishment of a state religion i.e. the Church of England. You can pick up the text of the Constitution easily, just type in “U.S. Constitution” into Google.
 
An award-winning high school football coach who quit after being told he could no longer lead his team in prayer has taken back his resignation and rejoined the team.
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East Brunswick coach Marcus Borden resigned Oct. 7 after school district officials barred him from leading or participating in pregame prayers, saying the practice violated federal laws governing the separation of church and state.
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Borden returned Monday after notifying the Board of Education of his decision. But he still plans to fight the ban, which he said violated his right to free speech.
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Let’s pretend the separation of church and state issue doesn’t exist. I still think it trivializes prayer to pray before a game in order to win. Does the team who prays the hardest win the game? Maybe the team with the most members who belong to the “true” religion will win. I don’t see the point of it.
 
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bapcathluth:
Let’s pretend the separation of church and state issue doesn’t exist. I still think it trivializes prayer to pray before a game in order to win. Does the team who prays the hardest win the game? Maybe the team with the most members who belong to the “true” religion will win. I don’t see the point of it.
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Who says the team was praying to win??? You don’t know what they’re praying for - you’re not in that huddle!
 
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gholick:
What is the freakin’ questions here?!!! Church and State are to be separate in the United States of America!

If we force kids into public schools, we cannot throw out the Constitution. It does not matter what group is in the majority, their Will cannot be forced on others.

A coach saying “let’s pray” and praying to a Christian god is a horrible situation for someone who does not believe in Christianity.

I’ve been there and there is no way a kid is going to back away and not go along with the crowd. So we bow our heads and pretend to worship YOUR god in fear of being persecuted if we don’t and trust me, we will be persecuted if we don’t go along with it.

It is absolutely the most simple and clear position…

Pray if you want to pray. Do it in the parking lot with your family; do it in the locker room to prepare yourself for the game; do it on the sidelines with your friends…BUT DO NOT allow a public servant, a teacher, a coach lead it!!! IT IS CONSTITUTIONALLY WRONG!!!

Why is the coach any different than a 3rd period teacher? Wouldn’t it seem weird if Ms. Grayhair said the lord’s prayer before science class? Actually, it would be really wierd because much of Christianity doesn’t make much scientific sense, but never mind.

If a coach wants to force his players to pray, he should apply at a Christian private school. It really is simple and I simply can’t understand the controversy. “Separation of Church and State”…READ IT, LEARN IT, UNDERSTAND IT!!!
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The idea of Separation of Church and State doesn’t exist.
 
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bones_IV:
The idea of Separation of Church and State doesn’t exist.
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It’s been around along time, but to what degree it is believed and applied varies from generation to generation
 
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bapcathluth:
Let’s pretend the separation of church and state issue doesn’t exist. I still think it trivializes prayer to pray before a game in order to win. Does the team who prays the hardest win the game? Maybe the team with the most members who belong to the “true” religion will win. I don’t see the point of it.
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Is the only reason that you pray before a game in order to win? When I played football (it was at a public high school, and we still prayed anyway), we didn’t pray to win, but to not sustain any injuries to us or the other side. What’s wrong with that?

Also, what is wrong with leading the students in a prayer, but letting them say what they want to say? What if the coach just replaced “pray” with, “think good thoughts”. I don’t think the latter would have any problems.
 
We said the Lord’s Prayer every day in public school when I was in elementary school in the early 60’s. I didn’t know the extra words that the protestant kids added at the end, so I just stopped where Catholics finished. Any harm done? Please…

Then the Supreme Court found out that it was against the Constitution (it had taken them 180 to years to discover it). Nevertheless, when I played football in public high school in the 70’s, the coach always lead us in the Lord’s Prayer (Catholic version - because he was Catholic). No one then would have thought to complain about it.

Liberals, MSM, “open minded” folks, like to say the Constituion is a “living document.” That really means the Constitution is a dead document, since you can change it to mean anything, and they do.

That’s why I like the Catholic Church. It never changes; it lives.
 
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wabrams:
It’s been around along time, but to what degree it is believed and applied varies from generation to generation
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Uhmm. No. Prayer has a part of our country’s life. Varies from generation to generation, so are you saying there are different interpretations of Churcha and State? I don’t think so. We had a monarchy in Spain and France for quite a while and did well.
 
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bones_IV:
Uhmm. No. Prayer has a part of our country’s life. Varies from generation to generation, so are you saying there are different interpretations of Churcha and State?
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Absoultely there are variations of Church and State ideas.
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bones_IV:
I don’t think so. We had a monarchy in Spain and France for quite a while and did well.
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What are you talking about?
 
The First Church of Christ Congregational was by law the State Church for Mass. until 1835, when the Congregationalist’s in that State voluntarily decided they didn’t want to be the Mass. State Religion for everybody in Mass. any longer. So States could have a State Church, since Mass. did have one.
 
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wabrams:
Absoultely there are variations of Church and State ideas.

What are you talking about?
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Variations of Church and State ideas? What you over look is it is impossible to separate Church and State.
 
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mdzialo1:
So States could have a State Church, since Mass. did have one.
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Correct, states at that time could have a state religion. That was then, this is now.

The Fourteenth Amendment expanded our freedom from a federally-established religion, to freedom from any religion established by states and state institutions.
 
All of you who are so hot to have state sponsored religion should look at the countries who do. In Europe, most people are completely secular and their countries do have state sponsored religion. Here in the US, all religions are separate from the state, and this makes for a much more religious populace. There isn’t the inherent corruption that comes from having too much power.
Wake up and realize that separation of church and state is good for religion.
 
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gholick:
It really is simple and I simply can’t understand the controversy. “Separation of Church and State”…READ IT, LEARN IT, UNDERSTAND IT!!!
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Uh apparently you don’t follow your own advice…

The first amendment reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

The statement about a wall of separation between church and state was made in a letter on January 1, 1802, by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut. The congregation heard a widespread rumor that the Congregationalists, another denomination, were to become the national religion. This was very alarming to people who knew about religious persecution in England by the state established church. Jefferson made it clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to men how to worship God. Jefferson’s letter from which the phrase “separation of church and state” was taken affirmed first amendment rights. Jefferson wrote:

I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. (1)

The people did not want freedom from religion, but freedom of religion.

noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html
 
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