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davidv
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For more clarity one should consult the actual teachings of the Church. Here are a few critical excerpts from the CCC:
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OKAstro
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Thanks David - but can you answer my question Yes or No?
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davidv
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No I cannot give you a yes or no answer. There are too many variables, that only God knows.
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chypmonk
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Wretches tainted with Indifferentism and Modernism hold that dogmatic truth is not absolute, but relative; that is, that it must adapt itself to the varying necessities of the times and varying dispositions of souls, since it is not contained in an unchangeable revelation but is, by its very nature, meant to accommodate itself to the life of man.
It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.
It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members.
It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.
It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members.
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IMFORGOD
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OKAstro the answer you are looking for is YES there is salvation outside the Catholic church I have easy proof of that. plus if you read John 10:16-19 And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd. [17] Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. [18] No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father. [19] A dissension rose again among the Jews for these words.
As well as John 3:16, you will see that there is salvation outside the catholic church
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Acts831
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So what’s the point of being Catholic? Is what we believe meaningless? One person can believe what the Catholic church teaches about Mary, but another can believe those teachings are a total lie? How can they both be right, and both be saved when they believe different things?
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bingbang
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They don’t have to both be right to both be saved. Are you more conservative or liberal? Do you think God takes that into account when someone is saved? Maybe he doesn’t care what they think about Mary either. Maybe he just cares how you treat others and how you live your life.
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Acts831
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So we just have to be “good people” in general to go to Heaven?.. Does God care whether or not we believe in Him?
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bingbang
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I don’t think so.
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IMFORGOD
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That answer is a simple one too. I expect that you are a young one so I’ll basically tell you as straight as I can. There was a man named Martin Luther a former priest of the Catholic church formed the protestant belief,The Protestant Reformation began on 31 October 1517 Therefore the actual Catholic faith was started in the time of JESUS with Peter becoming the first Pope Protestantism has only been around for only 493 years before that all there really was is the Catholic Faith which as I stated before was started by JESUS. Even the apostles creed acknowledges the Catholic church through searches through the internet you can find those lost books. But you have to realize that every religion branched off of the Catholic church. I was a former protestant myself until GOD called me to become Catholic. I’ll tell you that after I became Catholic I haven’t felt better about my faith.and I’m learning even more since becoming Catholic
I hope this helps.
GOD bless you
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Acts831
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Which question were you answering?
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Acts831
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What does any of that matter if I don’t have to follow the rules of the Catholic church to go to Heaven? Why should I worry about having to get up and go to church every Sunday morning, and go confess my sins if I can be saved without doing that?That answer is a simple one too. I expect that you are a young one so I’ll basically tell you as straight as I can. There was a man named Martin Luther a former priest of the Catholic church formed the protestant belief,The Protestant Reformation began on 31 October 1517 Therefore the actual Catholic faith was started in the time of JESUS with Peter becoming the first Pope Protestantism has only been around for only 493 years before that all there really was is the Catholic Faith which as I stated before was started by JESUS. Even the apostles creed acknowledges the Catholic church through searches through the internet you can find those lost books. But you have to realize that every religion branched off of the Catholic church. I was a former protestant myself until GOD called me to become Catholic. I’ll tell you that after I became Catholic I haven’t felt better about my faith.and I’m learning even more since becoming Catholic
I hope this helps.
GOD bless you
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BUT!!! and that is a big BUT. There is still the problem of sin and its remission. One who is baptized and does not commit any mortal sins will go to heaven whether they are Catholic or not. However, what of the person who does commit a mortal sin? If the person is Catholic then remission of that sin is through the church and the sacrament of Reconciliation [John 23:20]. But how does the protestant remit sin? They have no confession, in fact many of them believe forgiveness is either automatic or they believe that once they are “saved” they have “eternal security”. How is the protestant reconciled to God after mortal sin?
Jesus paid the price for sin once and for all. He also established a church through which the salvation grace made possible by His death could be obtained by all. Therefore, it is impossible to attain salvation outside the church. Baptism remits sin and is required for salvation. It is also entry into the church.
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IMFORGOD
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John 3:16 makes it really clear For GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON,That whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life.
So there you see that just being a good boy/girl don’t mean you can get to heaven,You must believe in the sacrifices that JESUS went through and believe in HIS crucifixion and also HIS resurection to be saved and also have to be baptized. John 3:5 Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Pertaining to being good alone:
Matthew 7:21-25 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.
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bingbang
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I don’t think you have to believe in God to be saved.
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bingbang
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I agree. Why do those things? If it doesn’t make you a better person, whats the point?
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IMFORGOD
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GOD does want us to gather together as a family in the church to worship GOD the Father GOD the SON and GOD the Holy Ghost, JESUS went to church HE taught in the church HE listened in the church and HE loves the church We are to gather as commanded by JESUS while he was on earth!
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gkoomen
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Why be a Catholic if others can be saved? I’m a new Catholic (2 yrs.) - here’s some of the why for me. First, Confession - that’s what first attracted me. I can have my sins forgiven by Jesus, and receive power to overcome them. Then, the Mass - a priest puts Jesus Himself, physically present, into my mouth or hands. I can hardly take that in - it’s awesome! You can deal with your sins now, or wait. Sure, I could have found salvation through the Catholic Church while I was Protestant - but the process would have been longer and more difficult. (We’re talking MUCH longer and MUCH more difficult. Even C. S. Lewis, beloved of Protestants, believed in Purgatory. I now have the means to shorten or avoid it.
When my Protestant friends quote the Bible, I wish they would remember how they got it! No Pope can remove anything from Holy Scripture - but Martin Luther removed 8 books, as well as any reference to God or prayer in Esther. I was delighted to have her prayers, as well as Mordecai’s restored.
When my Protestant friends quote the Bible, I wish they would remember how they got it! No Pope can remove anything from Holy Scripture - but Martin Luther removed 8 books, as well as any reference to God or prayer in Esther. I was delighted to have her prayers, as well as Mordecai’s restored.
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Acts831
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That doesn’t answer my question.
Why should someone bother converting if it doesn’t matter whether or not they are Catholic? Just because it makes you feel better?
Inkaneer said that all baptized people who don’t commit a mortal sin go to Heaven… But you have to have knowledge to commit a mortal sin, right? So if a person doesn’t convert or bother with the Catholic church, but they are baptized they will go to Heaven. Seems a better way than trying to be Catholic and worrying about following all the rules.
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