Noah's fall?

[CFH]

CFH

thanks for the reply

If the Lord God addresses the subject understood as incest, in plain fashion in Leviticus then why is it not mentioned in plain fashion in the case here with Noah? If it’s not there, it’s not there. Who would teach, you or would want you to think or believe something about Scripture that was not said in Scripture?

Wasn’t this the method used at the tree of knowledge of good and evil, by the serpent? To get them to think and believe something that was not said by the Lord God. Hence using the words for the purpose other than knowing and understanding God’s Word.

If you are offended by my plain speaking on the matter of watch out for what teaching you should trust, sorry but it was for your sake that you should. God Bless, my friend In Christ. I believe Solomon sums it up in this…

Prov:6:23: For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

It is there in plain text. We just don’t understand it because it is a Hebrew expression that we are not familiar with. It’s the difference between saying “I’m going to the store”, and “I’m going out to buy soda and pizza for the party tonite”. One is an understood expression, while one is more specific.

 

[grannymh]

I’m sorry that you are unable to discern between mechanism and doctrine.

No apology necessary. Discernment is my responsibility.

Also, please note carefully that I did not condemn sensus plenior. I simply chose a different way of looking at Scripture which is my responsibility. I do hope you will understand that it is not my intention to debate my choice.

I did see your reference to a catechism. As strictly a matter of information, here is one of a couple of different links to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition.
www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Blessings,
granny

John 3: 16&17

 

[DPMartin]

It is there in plain text. We just don’t understand it because it is a Hebrew expression that we are not familiar with. It’s the difference between saying “I’m going to the store”, and “I’m going out to buy soda and pizza for the party tonite”. One is an understood expression, while one is more specific.

CFH

thanks for the reply

say what you want, but I would ref. you to this

Melchizedek came to Abraham. (Note also that this is the first time in scripture were bread and wine are mentioned together and the second time it is mentioned the first time wine is mentioned is with Noah. The first time bread is mentioned; Gen:3:19: In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; and seconed time bread is mentioned is with Melchizedek.

Gen:14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Note king of Salem now known as Jerusalem, and priest of the most high God. And both titles, if you will, we know is Jesus Christ. Who ordained if you will the Bread and the Wine. Hence He Jesus brought the acceptable Bread and Wine.

And fyi the Jewish or Hebrew state in Tora commentary that Melchizedek is Shem son of Noah. And Shem did not pass away until Jacob was 50 years old (if my memory serves) and Noah was tenth generation from Adam and Abram was tenth generation from Noah. The bread mentioned with Adam and the Wine mentioned with Noah.

Son of Noah: Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Son of Abraham: Isaac sacrifice that God provided Chosen by God through which the world shall be blessed, and mankind is Justified.

The Bread of Life to live and the Wine

Mt:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Doesn’t the Blood of Christ Jesus wash the sin away?

Rv:3:18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

The issue with Noah was simple all flesh was washed away and Noah was

Gen: 6

8: But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9: These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

But “shame of thy nakedness “ was the issue that the Lord let be known with Noah. And “shame of thy nakedness “ is addressed in the last book of the Bible.