Non-Catholic Christians, which ONE doctrine...

[narrowpath]

Yeh that was actually it. God was able to speak to him through the Scriptures about how to be saved in the way they were in Acts. Notice in Acts where the word ‘saved’ or ‘eternal life’ is used and you will see it was instant. You don’t even like to talk about being saved. I think it is because what is happening in the RCC is NOT what was happening when Peter preached and people were saved. It all made sense to him via God’s word.

You protestants always talk about how catholics dodge the ‘how to be saved’ issue. The problem is that we have different interpretations of this doctine. Many protestants believe that we just need to confess Jesus with our mouths and are then saved forever. The catholic belief is that we need to be baptised with water(funny how protestants always skip that part) and the Spirit (The holy spirit, of course). We need to be in a state of grace at death.

I don’t know where you go to church, or what catholic worship you have seen. I can actually agree that we need a real revival of spirit in the Church. But I still will not leave the catholic church, because it is the Church. And he who reject the Church, rejects Jesus, and rejects the Father.“He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” -Luke 10:16

I also don’t think that there are 40,000 holy spirits, one for each protestant denomination to help them interpret the scriptures.

On that note, a question about the scriptures: What did christians do in the 350 years before the New Testament was put together? With texts like the Epistle of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, and others (they do contain orthodox christian doctrine, btw), and books that would be in the NT being doubted? How did they know what scriptures to be inspired by?

 

[narrowpath]

Does copying and pasting that exempt you from studying the Bible and thinking about what it really says? I think there is something else going on. So why don’t you do something different. click on this link (or copy and paste it if you need to) and listen to Third Day sing about our faith (the Apostles’ Creed):

youtube.com/watch?v=5oybROi7Ehg

This is the kind of music born again people produce.

No, its more this type.

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_MbDqc3x97k

Third Day is okay, but they can’t cmpare to the gregorian chants. For more lively stuff:

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NE1YCb8U9gE
ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HIUz7U8hH2E

In finishing, though, I wasn’t aware that born again people produces a sort of music. I was more under the impression that we knew them by their spiritual fruits.

 

[Martin777]

You protestants always talk about how catholics dodge the ‘how to be saved’ issue. The problem is that we have different interpretations of this doctine. Many protestants believe that we just need to confess Jesus with our mouths and are then saved forever. The catholic belief is that we need to be baptised with water(funny how protestants always skip that part) and the Spirit (The holy spirit, of course). We need to be in a state of grace at death.

I don’t know where you go to church, or what catholic worship you have seen. I can actually agree that we need a real revival of spirit in the Church. But I still will not leave the catholic church, because it is the Church. And he who reject the Church, rejects Jesus, and rejects the Father.“He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” -Luke 10:16

I also don’t think that there are 40,000 holy spirits, one for each protestant denomination to help them interpret the scriptures.

On that note, a question about the scriptures: What did christians do in the 350 years before the New Testament was put together? With texts like the Epistle of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas, and others (they do contain orthodox christian doctrine, btw), and books that would be in the NT being doubted? How did they know what scriptures to be inspired by?

First, if you read all that I have written, I never say all a person has to do is JUST confess Jesus with their mouths. In the OT God says these people “confess me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me!” However Paul DOES say that “if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God hav raised him from the dead, you will be saved” The key there is the word “Lord”. Jesus isn’t just the Savior, He is the Lord (Master). And we have to receive Him for who He is–the one that deserves all our devotion. We will falter in living up to that as we grow in Christ, but it starts there, and if we meant it when we received Him…guess what–WE ARE SAVED–FOREVER. “I will never leave thee nor forsake thee”

 

[Martin777]

No, its more this type.

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_MbDqc3x97k

Third Day is okay, but they can’t cmpare to the gregorian chants. For more lively stuff:

ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NE1YCb8U9gE
ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HIUz7U8hH2E

In finishing, though, I wasn’t aware that born again people produces a sort of music. I was more under the impression that we knew them by their spiritual fruits.

You should actually know them by a lot of things, fruit included. They should be known for their love, their joy, their integrity, their faithfulness…a lot of things. They are also known for making some of the most powerful music on the planet. I think Gregorian Chants are neat.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

and if we meant it when we received Him…guess what–WE ARE SAVED–FOREVER. “I will never leave thee nor forsake thee”"

Jesus won’t forsake us, but we can leave him.

2 Timothy 2:12 “If we endure, we shall also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us”.

1 Corinthians 10:12 “Therefore let him who thinks he is standing, beware, that he does not fall”.

2 Chronicles 15:2 “If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will leave you”.

2 Peter 2:20-21 “They were made free from the evil in the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But if they return to evil things and those things control them, then it is worse for them than it was before. Yes, it would be better for them to have never known the right way than to know it and to turn away from the holy teaching that was given to them.”

Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:13 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Hebrews 10:26-27 “For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.”

Hebrews 10:29 “How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by those who have spurned the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant by which they were sanctified, and outraged the Spirit?”

 

[firmfoundation]

I want to make sure that you are not “straining gnats and swallowing camels”, as Jesus put it…

Far and away, the most important thing about eating his flesh and drinking his blood is the salvation-giving act of receiving Christ by faith-once and for all, as the hearers in Acts did when Peter preached or when Paul explained Jesus to the Philippian jailer in Acts 16. They believed on Him based on his death on the cross and were born again THAT MOMENT! THAT is the critical “eating and drinking” Jesus is talking about. If you haven’t done that, my friend, you can consume the Eucharist every day for the rest of your life and spend eternity in hell. If you ont get this, get on your knees and pray like crazy that Jesus will show you. I’m trying to be gentle here!

Right. We eat His flesh and drink His blood in the truest sense when we partake of his death for our forgiveness and eternal salvation. Believe me, when He talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, there was something WAY more important on his mind than communion!!! He was pointing to the fact that He was about to do something that would be the only source of life for eternity. Eat this or you will die forever. And He wasn’t talking about the Mass. He was talking about John 3:16 etc: “For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life” Eat and drink THAT or you’re dead. Consume that and you can know you are saved and really enjoy communion as you remember what I did.

By the way, I think this is one of the great songs born again people are producing today:

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

Believe me, when He talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, there was something WAY more important on his mind than communion!!!QUOTE]

John wrote his gospel years after the death and resurrection of Christ.

By that time he had probably participated in hundreds of eucharistic celebrations.

He was clear about the reality of this sacrament in his words.

He was careful to point out in John 6 that this teaching was given at the time of Passover, during which the lambs of the jews are sacrificed and eaten.

 

[Ag_not]

youtube.com/watch?v=5oybROi7Ehg

This is the kind of music born again people produce.

I hope for their sakes thats not the only type of music born again people produce. That was pretty dire