Non Catholic Interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19

[elvisman]

It’s easy to know what an honest man believes because you can take them at their word.

I’m not sure Jim, Charles and Dave can be taken at their word.

BTW, God knows their hearts and unless I’m mistaken, they don’t believe those things. Of course Charles could have repented and given his life to Jesus. If that’s so, he’d be a good illustration of my point. If he has not repented and given his life to Jesus, again, he’d be a good illustration of my point and bad for Elvis’ point.

Good luck.

Doki plays this very same card on every thread. He makes a preposterous statement, then refuses to back it up.
He then expects you to prove your point because he can’t back up his.

Same old song and dance with this guy . . .

 

[Dokimas]

Answer the question Doki.
Answer the question . . .

Read the answer…

Read the answer…

 

[Dokimas]

Good luck.

**Doki **plays this very same card on every thread. He makes a preposterous statement, then refuses to back it up.
He then expects you to prove your point because he can’t back up his.

Same old song and dance with this guy . . .

Okay, you can’t give the essentials from the Bible. Why didn’t you just say so?

 

[Javl]

Originally Posted by ** Dokimas**
Nicea, I’m not sure why you’ve changed you mode of communication with me, but thank you. I appreciate the respect you’ve shown me over the last several weeks. Thanks again.

Some of what I believe are essentials are found in my post to Elvis about what a true believer is. Let me see if I can find that response.

Object of a true believer’s faith: Jesus, God the Son, Creator of the Universe, died for our sins, raised from the dead, lives forevermore.

Response of a true believer: follow Jesus, be as obedient as one can, grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus.

You forgot to mention to accept and follow His teachings. This is as important as believing in Him. The Catholic Church is the deposit of His teachings and has been for the past 2000 years and forever will be.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Dokimas]

You forgot to mention to accept and follow His teachings. This is as important as believing in Him. The Catholic Church is the deposit of His teachings and has been for the past 2000 years and forever will be.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Personally, I don’t think you can follow Jesus without following His teachings. The two are one, IMO. We don’t do that perfectly, but God at least wants us to try. He gives the Holy Spirit to help and the Blood of Jesus when we fail. Thanks be to God for His amazing blessings.

 

[elvisman]

Personally, I don’t think you can follow Jesus without following His teachings. The two are one, IMO. We don’t do that perfectly, but God at least wants us to try. He gives the Holy Spirit to help and the Blood of Jesus when we fail. Thanks be to God for His amazing blessings.

And, as a Protestant - there are a few of his teachings that you reject.
**A few of them that come to mind are Church Authority and Confession (**Matt. 16:19, 18:18, Luke 10:16, John 20:23, ****2 Cor. 5:18-20, **2 Cor. 2:10).
**
So, by your OWN criteria, you are not a true follower of Jesus.

 

[elvisman]

Read the answer…

Read the answer…

STILL waiting to hear this list of essential Christian beliefs that you have proposed.

We’re all waiting with great anticipation . . .

 

[Dokimas]

We’re all waiting with great anticipation . . .

Not those that know that I’ve posted a small list as I’ve communicated with you and now others.

 

[Dokimas]

So, by your OWN criteria, you are not a true follower of Jesus.

So you did find my list. Then what’s all the ‘crying’ about?

 

[elvisman]

Not those that know that I’ve posted a small list as I’ve communicated with you and now others.

So you did find my list. Then what’s all the ‘crying’ about?

Nobody’s crying - just trying to hold you accountable for your claims.

**Please point me to this elusive list of yours so that I may be enlightened as to what the essential Christian beliefs are.
Do you have a link?

 

[Dokimas]

**Nobody’s **crying - just trying to hold you accountable for your claims.

**Please point **me to this elusive list of yours so that I may be enlightened as to what the *essential *Christian beliefs are.
Do you have a link?

Follow the quotes backward. You’re a smart fellow; you can do it without my help. I have ‘faith’ in you.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I will give you the Mormon answer to this question. We don’t follow the “Petros” vs. “Petra” argument. We believe that the “keys” were indeed given to the Peter. But there are certain additional factors that need to be taken into account with regards to the Christian Church of today. Firstly, the keys were not given to Peter alone, but to all of the Apostles (see Matthew 18:18). Peter was the chief of the Apostles, therefore he held the keys of the presidency over the Twelve; but the “keys of the kingdom,” which consisted of the “binding” and “loosing” power, was given to all of the Twelve, not just to Peter. Secondly, Peter held the keys over the kingdom of God on earth while he was alive. When he died he obviously could no longer exercise those keys here on earth. The keys had to be transferred to his successor. So the question is, who is his successor today? The Catholics obviously believe it is the Pope. We disagree. We believe it is the Mormon Prophet. We believe that the early Christian Church lost the keys when it went into Apostasy before the end of the first century, and the keys were restored to the LDS Church by the ministration of angels shortly after the Church was organized in 1830. That is the Mormon view of things with regard to the origin and transfer of the “keys”.

Do You think the Mormon church is Christian ? are is it a cult

 

[elvisman]

Follow the quotes backward. You’re a smart fellow; you can do it without my help. I have ‘faith’ in you.

What all the mystery, Doki?
Is it because you have no idea what the essential Christian beliefs are?

**Sorry - I *really *must have caught you off guard when I challenged you to produce it. **

Here some advice for the next time you show up to a debate completetly unarmed:
DON’T.

 

[Dokimas]

What all the mystery, Doki?
Is it because you have no idea what the essential Christian beliefs are?

**Sorry - I *really ***must have caught you off guard when I challenged you to produce it.

Here some advice for the next time you show up to a debate completetly unarmed:
DON’T.

Wow; you’re so perceptive. You’re quite amazing. You’re correct I shouldn’t ‘debate’ with you; you’re way beyond me. Thanks for putting up with me for so long. You’re quite a guy.

Originally Posted by Dokimas
Nicea, I’m not sure why you’ve changed you mode of communication with me, but thank you. I appreciate the respect you’ve shown me over the last several weeks. Thanks again.

Some of what I believe are essentials are found in my post to Elvis about what a true believer is. Let me see if I can find that response.

[SIGN]Object of a true believer’s faith: Jesus, God the Son, Creator of the Universe, died for our sins, raised from the dead, lives forevermore.

Response of a true believer: follow Jesus, be as obedient as one can, grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus. [/SIGN]

Over the several month we’ve communicated, Elvis, you’ve read into my posts things that are not there. Now it’s quite clear what I was implying and then saying and you missed it. Go figure.

 

[elvisman]

Wow; you’re so perceptive. You’re quite amazing. You’re correct I shouldn’t ‘debate’ with you; you’re way beyond me. Thanks for putting up with me for so long. You’re quite a guy.

**Hey - it’s okay. I’ll tone it down a bit if you’re finding it too difficult to respond to my positions. **

Object of a true believer’s faith: Jesus, God the Son, Creator of the Universe, died for our sins, raised from the dead, lives forevermore.

Response of a true believer: follow Jesus, be as obedient as one can, grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus.

If this is the list of essential beliefs that you were referring to - it is SORELY lacking.
You forgot:
**Baptism (John 3:5, Matt. 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, 1 Pet. 3:21). **
Eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6, Matt, 26, 26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-20)
Enduring faithfully to the end (Matt. 24:13)
Picking up your cross daily and following him
**Confessing your sins to the Church (**John 20:21-23, ****2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10)
Obedience to the Church (Matt, 16:19, 15-18, John 20:21-23)
Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)

These and MORE are essential beliefs. Some of which YOU reject.

Over the several month we’ve communicated, Elvis, you’ve read into my posts things that are not there. Now it’s quite clear what I was implying and then saying and you missed it. Go figure.

No - I’d say it’s more of a case of you NOT saying much and I’ve been left trying to figure out what you meant.

Here’s some advice: Give clear and cogent responses so that nobody is left wondering what your position is on any given topic.
This IS, after all - a discussion board . . .

 

[Dokimas]

If this is the list of essential beliefs that you were referring to - it is SORELY lacking.

No soon did I say you read into my posts something NOT said and you do it.

Did I say my little list is complete? NO! Let me say it again – NO!!

The fact is that the Bible speaks of ‘essentials’.

 

[elvisman]

No soon did I say you read into my posts something NOT said and you do it.

Did I say my little list is complete? NO! Let me say it again – NO!!

The fact is that the Bible speaks of ‘essentials’.

You are commanded over and over again in Scripture to share your Christianity with others so that they my come to know the truth. If you have a list of essential beliefs - you must share them and not hide the truth under a bushel.

So, I ask you for the umpteenth time:
What is your list of Essential Christian Beliefs??

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

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