Non-Catholic religions and abortion

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iamrefreshed said:
BTW, how would you define mother?
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a mother is female parent. a parent is one that brings forth an offspsring. an offspring is the product of a reproductive process.
iamrefreshed said:
How can one be a mother and have an abortion? According to you she can’t because it’s not a child. :rolleyes: Yet you yourself use the name mother.
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slip of the tongue.
iamrefreshed said:
You need to come up with another name for mother for the first 90 days then! What will you call her? Host to a blob of flesh?:eek:
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a pregnant woman.
 
scottm said:
Interesting question. This question and the homosexual issue are what got me started down the road toward Catholicism. It was my first step. I was awed and puzzled by the RC Church’s ability to hold ground and not waver one inch, while seemingly every other nominally Christian religious body at least wavered, if not crumbled altogether. I wanted to know why the Catholics were different.

And that led to another step, and suddenly I was in RCIA.

The difference that I found is in the way that doctrine & dogma is declared. Once something is declared “true” in Catholicism, it cannot later be declared “false.” It is sealed until the end of time. I am unaware of any other religious body that follows this same practice. No Protestant group has this practice. This method of declaring truth is in point of fact contradictory to the foundation of Protestantism, so of course none of them can do it. The foundation of Protestantism is that people can change their minds about what is true, and that is why they crumble and change under public pressure.
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Very glad you made the journey. When God leads us, as he apparently did you, we find ourselves doing the impossible!👍
 
AgnosTheist said:
anyway with all the semantics aside,** i was really just referring to the single celled fertilized EGG. None of you would dare acknowledge that it doesnt have a single brain cell**. If you guys cannot acknowledge this simple fact, you will always put a blind eye on complex facts which goes against your opinions.
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Why would it matter? Why does the right to life depend on how developed ones mind is?
 
AgnosTheist said:
a lot of unbelievable things happen. hypothetically, what is your answer?
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If it were me, I’d rather my child be born and get to see the sun and experience life, than selfishly kill her so that I can live instead. 🤷
 
RebeccaJ said:
I could never tell anyone what their decision should be. But for me, I know what my decision is.
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so its a personal decision afterall. nobody should be told what to do. in that case abortion should be legalized. its up to each woman and couple whether or not they want a child.

personally i’m in a gray region. a little bit freedom and a little bit limitation. i agree with rome’s policies. 90 days thats it. 😃
 
jmcrae said:
If it were me, I’d rather my child be born and get to see the sun and experience life, than selfishly kill her so that I can live instead. 🤷
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err if you die first, the embryo would surely die as well. so what would it be? would you rather die together? if its your unconscious wife and the decision is yours, would you rather see her dead?

just curious.
 
AgnosTheist said:
so its a personal decision afterall. nobody should be told what to do. in that case abortion should be legalized. its up to each woman and couple whether or not they want a child.

personally i’m in a gray region. a little bit freedom and a little bit limitation. i agree with rome’s policies. 90 days thats it. 😃
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I think you mean Italy’s policy?

When you infer Rome as the catholic church you are being insulting which is against forum policies. You have done this on numerous occasions.:mad:
 
AgnosTheist said:
anyway with all the semantics aside, i was really just referring to the single celled fertilized EGG.
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With all due respect 🙂 , you are the one playing semantic games. A single-celled fertilized egg is an embryo. Period.
Regardless of how you feel about the link provided, please give evidence where the National Institutes of Health’s Human Embryo Research Panel or the National Bioethics Advisory Commission believe a “fertilized egg” isn’t an embryo.
 
AgnosTheist said:
so its a personal decision afterall. nobody should be told what to do. in that case abortion should be legalized. its up to each woman and couple whether or not they want a child.

personally i’m in a gray region. a little bit freedom and a little bit limitation. i agree with rome’s policies. 90 days thats it. 😃
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Well, I’m not Catholic.

When I read the POVs here, regarding abortion, I understand why people think the way they do. I admire it. I have no problem with their decisions, even the decision to tell other people what they should do.

I have a real problem with using abortion as birth control and I would tell people what to do there. I am a moral relativist. I have a hard time seeing the world in black and white.
 
estesbob said:
Why would it matter? Why does the right to life depend on how developed ones mind is?
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my personal opinion:

First of all its not about ‘how developed’ a mind is, but whether or not there is one (no matter how undeveloped it is)

Ok without a mind, there is so consciousness to hurt.

its a world of difference from actually killing a fully independent person. like a witch, not only does she have awareness. but she had also touched the lives of other people. burning her on the stake not only hurts her, but it hurts everyone that she had touched. embryos neither have touched the lives of anyone, and neither does it have feelings and awareness that could be hurt.
 
AgnosTheist said:
my personal opinion:

First of all its not about ‘how developed’ a mind is, but whether or not there is one (no matter how undeveloped it is)

Ok without a mind, there is so consciousness to hurt.

its a world of difference from actually killing a fully independent person. like a witch, not only does she have awareness. but she had also touched the lives of other people. burning her on the stake not only hurts her, but it hurts everyone that she had touched. embryos neither have touched the lives of anyone, and neither does it have feelings and awareness that could be hurt.
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What about the lives that they will touch?

One of the tragedies of abortion is the empty playground across the street from me - we have killed the children who would have been playing there today. It hurts me that they aren’t there to brighten my day with their laughter and fun.
 
AgnosTheist said:
my personal opinion:

First of all its not about ‘how developed’ a mind is, but whether or not there is one (no matter how undeveloped it is)

Ok without a mind, there is so consciousness to hurt.

its a world of difference from actually killing a fully independent person. like a witch, not only does she have awareness. but she had also touched the lives of other people. burning her on the stake not only hurts her, but it hurts everyone that she had touched. embryos neither have touched the lives of anyone, and neither does it have feelings and awareness that could be hurt.
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So a human being is a person if has consciousness, if I understand you correctly?

A human being is a person if it is independant?

Am I correctly paraphrasing your criteria? Thank you.
 
jmcrae said:
What about the lives that they will touch?

One of the tragedies of abortion is the empty playground across the street from me - we have killed the children who would have been playing there today. It hurts me that they aren’t there to brighten my day with their laughter and fun.
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those lives that would have been touched wouldnt know the difference.
 
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