Non-Catholic religions and abortion

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Nobody cares about your silly little article about science, our greatest wisdom is merely God’s folly. Don’t waste your time.
AgnosTheist said:
personhood is only an idea. i’m just basing it from popular opinion, like paragraph3 of this source:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

reminded: my argument for being pro-choice is not about personhood, but about the possession of a mind.

self awareness develops during the fetal stage of pregnancy.

i am fully against killing a fetus.

Yes, because its yours and your opinion is harmless, then its entirely your business in saying that he/she was a person. And I have no problem agreeing with it.

i’ll try to find that science article again about when a fetus develops awareness.
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fierysword1920 said:
Nobody cares about your silly little article about science, our greatest wisdom is merely God’s folly. Don’t waste your time.
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Hey I thought youre not speaking another word to me again. No problem. I know Im so irresistible. 😃
 
AgnosTheist said:
Yes, because its yours and your opinion is harmless, then its entirely your business in saying that he/she was a person. And I have no problem agreeing with it.

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So it’s OK with you if she grieves for her dead child? How very, very "considerate of you.

If anyone wants to see him how supporting abortion leads to a general callousness towards life and gross insensitivity they need only read this post. One of the more truly disgusting posts I’ve ever run across in CAF
 
fierysword1920 said:
As I have stated even when a baby is a small embryo the entire mixture, ingredients, etc. are all present and yes that includes brain cells, there is a mind present and also developing.
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actually 99.99% of the ingredients are all coming from the pregnant woman and continously injected into the embryo/fetus up until birth. thats why i am pro-choice. each woman should have a limited freedom in deciding whether or not to continue hosting an embryo. like if its the result of a sexual violation, she must be allowed to terminate the unwanted aftershocks.
fierysword1920 said:
NAH cause were Catholics and we don’t operate like heathens and cheapen life
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historically catholics are notorious for cheapening life. like how catholics treated us filipinos. and those poor south american natives. countless were slaved to death.

‘cheapening life’ my foot.
 
There we go guys now he won’t waste our time with some stupid pro choice scientists article about how it is ok to rip babies out of wombs and suck the brains out. I must say he is kinda fun to entertain myself with, he just keeps getting beat down and coming back for more.
We should call agnos Ciaphas thats more suitable to him since he does not believe in Christ either.😃
 
Oh another great scientific fact by agnos everybody, 99.99% from the mother. Thats not true, except if your thinking about the nourishment i.e. food. Even if this fictional fact were true it still is irrelevant because it is a womans responsibility to be the main steward for God of his unborn saints. Still it matters not because agnos makes up facts as he goes. I hope we all notice this, since the truth that we bring to the table is all the same and consistent with God and normal everyday goodness. Give me some more fictional data that I can shred, keep it comin’ baby!
AgnosTheist said:
actually 99.99% of the ingredients are all coming from the pregnant woman and continously injected into the embryo/fetus up until birth. thats why i am pro-choice. each woman should have a limited freedom in deciding whether or not to continue hosting an embryo.

historically catholics are notorious for cheapening life. like how catholics treated us filipinos. and those poor south american natives. countless were slaved to death.
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fierysword1920 said:
Oh another great scientific fact by agnos everybody, 99.99% from the mother. Thats not true, except if your thinking about the nourishment i.e. food.
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thats the idea. thats your ingredients right there. 😃
fierysword1920 said:
is irrelevant because it is a womans responsibility to be the main steward for God
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well if you put it that way, then I agree with you. religiously speaking, no abortion is allowed whatsoever.
 
I see I have put down another one of his arguments. Well actually he disproved himself again. Nutrients are food for growth they constitute nothing of all th parts that are already there like brain cells, eyes, skin, bones and hair. Nutrients and nourishment only make them grow, they do nothing in creating this already present material.
C’mon, bring it on agnos cause i’m gonna bury you!
 
estesbob said:
Please do not post to me anymore. It makes me feel dirty.
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hey you are the one who cant resist quoting me. almost everything had been discussed already. i would be quite happy to bury this thread. but if you guys want to talk, i’m game. 😃
 
fierysword1920 said:
Nutrients and nourishment only make them grow, they do nothing in creating this already present material.
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no nutrients = no growth.

that makes nutrients the essential ingredients for body parts production.

common sense, buddy. common sense. 😃
 
The discussion was over the moment it began, now i’m just enjoying myself while I expose your fraudulent and heretical ideals. Your right I can’t resist making you look foolish.😃
 
fierysword1920 said:
Don’t worry wanner47 I have already addressed this issue to knucklehead. He just continues to prove himself wrong. As I have stated even when a baby is a small embryo the entire mixture, ingredients, etc. are all present and yes that includes brain cells, there is a mind present and also developing. Also because mans law allows for something does not make it right with God. I suppose by agos weenies logic we could consider him some sort of lower life form not deserving of the same privileges as ourselves,… NAH cause were Catholics and we don’t operate like heathens and cheapen life.
Praise be to Almighty God in Heaven, Amen!
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I realize you feel deeply about this issue. Many of us do. But is the name calling really necessary? What do you hope to accomplish by using such terms as “knucklehead” and “agos weenies”? Do you think it will help to change his mind?
 
Your absolutely correct agnos, that is my common sense that your now trying to use as your own. Food grows what is already there, it does not create, only gows it to become bigger.
Maybe your getting smarter having talked with us, or your just trying to weasel your way out of the corner you backed yourself into.😃
 
notself said:
I realize you feel deeply about this issue. Many of us do. But is the name calling really necessary? What do you hope to accomplish by using such terms as “knucklehead” and “agos weenies”? Do you think it will help to change his mind?
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Thanks for your concern, notself. But I’m really quite fine with name callings so long as it doesnt go below the belt. Honestly I think those he used are cute. The word knucklehead really made me laugh. I havent heard that funny word in ages. In reality I am a bit stubborn. For those of you who are curious, I am a Taurus boy. Not that I believe in any of that astrology stuff.

The minute name callings become offensive. I will politely ask for it to stop.
 
Your right I should not stoop to his level and spew things like name calling.
notself said:
I realize you feel deeply about this issue. Many of us do. But is the name calling really necessary? What do you hope to accomplish by using such terms as “knucklehead” and “agos weenies”? Do you think it will help to change his mind?
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In fact I guess your completely right notself, I am through with this thread, I don’t know as I care what he believes, he can sort that out with God as we all will. This has become redundant talking to people with 1960’s flower power mentality:shrug:
 
I am through too. Best wishes to all of you guys. May we meet as allies in other threads. 🙂
 
AgnosTheist said:
personhood is only an idea. i’m just basing it from popular opinion, like paragraph3 of this source:
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Truth is not determined by majority vote.
self awareness develops during the fetal stage of pregnancy.
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According to this article, fetuses don’t become self-aware until 23 weeks. Are you of the opinion that it’s acceptable to kill fetuses if they are smaller than 23 weeks? Do you think that at 22w6d fetus is not self-aware, but at 23 weeks that magically happens? If not, how do you tell?

This article says the following:
John Wyatt, Professor of Neonatal Paediatrics at University College Hospital in London, said: ‘It is clear that a vast amount of activity is happening mainly in the last three months of pregnancy. We will never know at what point fetal consciousness and awareness start. But the link between cortex and the rest of the body doesn’t come into play until 23 to 24 weeks, when the first connections are created.’
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If, as Dr. Wyatt says, we will “never know” when a fetus becomes self-aware, are you comfortable in saying that a fetus can be killed before X amount of weeks if you don’t know FOR SURE if it’s self aware or not?

What about people in comas, or in vegetative states? They’re not self-aware as far as we know, either. Is it okay to kill them too?
Yes, because its yours and your opinion is harmless, then its entirely your business in saying that he/she was a person. And I have no problem agreeing with it.
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But how can you agree with me that embryos are people, and yet say that embryos aren’t people?

Either they ARE people, or they AREN’T. As I said before, this isn’t a truth that is subjective.
 
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