Non Catholic view of Mariology II

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ConstantineTG said:
It is funny that this particular question is running concurrently in two or three threads.

Do you believe that all baptism does is forgive sins?
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Whats not funny is you have “no response” in any of the threads. 🤷 Again a question answered with a question.

Do you confess one baptism for the remission of sin. 🤷
 
ConstantineTG said:
It is funny that this particular question is running concurrently in two or three threads.

Do you believe that all baptism does is forgive sins?
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Is that all it does? Sounds like a pretty important thing to me. Yes, the primary purpose of Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. When our sins have been forgiven then everything else follows. We are once again in union with God and we enter the Church as through a door. Where there was death, we now have life and God makes his dwelling within us.

So I will ask the question once again. If not for the forgiveness of sin, then why do you baptize infants?
 
SteveVH said:
Is that all it does? Sounds like a pretty important thing to me. Yes, the primary purpose of Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. When our sins have been forgiven then everything else follows. We are once again in union with God and we enter the Church as through a door. Where there was death, we now have life and God makes his dwelling within us.

So I will ask the question once again. If not for the forgiveness of sin, then why do you baptize infants?
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He is banned bud lol…going to be waiting awhile for an answer
 
Thinkingoutloud,

You should also do a search on the writing of what happens at Mass by St. Justin the Martyr, written in 154 AD to the Roman emperor. It explains how the Mass was celebrated throughout the ancient Christian world at that time that is practiced today in the same fraternal spirit, parts, and tone.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, Jesus as the Atonement for sin, and ‘bridge’ to the Heavenly Father in the Mass, is the worship He dictated to the Apostles in the familial banquet, fulfilling the Old Testament and the fulfillment of the precursor of Christ’s first miracle at the wedding banquet in Cana.

Dissenting protestant leaders, primarily American ones, lead you to a black out of early Church history. I know a protestant woman evangelizer who has a very negative impression of the Catholic church, we are Mary worshippers, etc., and I asked her if she knows of early Church history, and said no, it is too much to handle.

Many Protestant ministers are finally receiving education of early Church history, primarily through the Early Church Fathers, in light of former dissenting and biased Protestant leaders saying the early church fathers were not Catholic. I was temporarily on a site where the moderator deleted my post sharing the documentation by St. Justin the Martyr on the Mass.

There is a site composed of many former Protestant ministers, highly educated, who share their concerns and then their conversion to Catholicism through education, reflection, and further searching for the truth. It is: www.calledtocommunion.com

People who are raised in an anti-Catholic faith formation do not realize how much they have been spiritually manipulated to block their minds to further seeking the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.
 
Thanks for links, especially first from Pope going back to 379 AD. Devotion to Mary began earlier but was not defined until later, and her prayers for the faithful were evident early on in Christianity.
 
KathleenGee said:
Thanks for links, especially first from Pope going back to 379 AD. Devotion to Mary began earlier but was not defined until later, and her prayers for the faithful were evident early on in Christianity.
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Exactly! Just because something is not “defined” earlier does not mean it was not a belief or practice of the early Church. The Trinity was not defined early in Church history because it was considered a given. It was defined once it was challenged.
 
aidanbradypop said:
Part 2 to Protestant view…now…Non Catholic view of Mariology.
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Very dismal. Some are so afraid of anything appearing Catholic that they deny the Blessed Mother is the Mother of God. Instead they propagate the heresies of Adoptionism, Nestorianism and Sabellianism it is very frustrating :banghead:
 
cath4alltime said:
Very dismal. Some are so afraid of anything appearing Catholic that they deny the Blessed Mother is the Mother of God. Instead they propagate the heresies of Adoptionism, Nestorianism and Sabellianism it is very frustrating :banghead:
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Amen,

Which deny doctrine after doctrine, the sacraments, then even the liturgy. All heresy starts out rooted in true doctrine then contradicts Gods word. Lucifer quoted scripture and very well also Matthew/Psalms.

Jesus Christ said…

“Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" John 6:34

Far by me to contradict Gods word, I take it to be the absolute literal truth. And if that means persecution, so too Christ knew and foretold this. Seems to me persecution correctly processed builds and reinforces virtue. Christs Church only grows from it.

The Church only serves one purpose in the end, it builds Saints. May the blood of Jesus Christ bring you to eternal life.
 
When we deny the real and remaining presence of Christ actualized in the sacraments and particularly the Eucharist, then Christ’s words to us are reduced to being symbolic.

If Christ’s words are reduced to symbolic, then He does not connect His words to our daily lives. What I perceive is up to me, and I am actually not renouncing myself and my way of looking at things, following my flesh and not the Spirit.

Heresy always has some attachment to self who has not truly died to self.

If we do not have value for the Blessed Mother and give her rightful honor, then our understanding of Christ is not fully real or True Man to us, and He is not truly the Son of God, and the Church is not the fulfillment of God’s family --Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, and we true and adopted sons and daughters of the Lord.

It is no wonder so many people do not have the witness of certainty of faith actualized into daily life that connects us not only to God but to the people around us.

True faith in Christ liberates us from narcissism and alienation, and makes us wholesome and connected with those around us.
 
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