Non-Catholics: How do you know that the words of Jesus are true?

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Sy_Noe said:
PRmerger, per your wait, I hope you weren’t waiting too long as I do have other things in life to attend to than CAF.
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I don’t think anyone needs to announce to others here that they’re busy.

#understood
#allinthesameboat
No. But just because something is a “justified belief” as you put it, doesn’t in my book mean we can know with certainty what we believe is true.
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You have certainty, if you can justify it. It’s a qualified and quantified certainty. Just not 100% certainty (and nothing, as they say, is 100% certain except death and taxes).
 
Sy_Noe said:
PRmerger, per your wait, I hope you weren’t waiting too long as I do have other things in life to attend to than CAF. No. **But just because something is a “justified belief” as you put it, doesn’t in my book mean we can know with certainty what we believe is true. ** Not when it comes to human beings with finite understanding and matters of faith and God. And we are talking about matters of faith here, PRmerger. Not the capital of the Philippines. In the end though I believe, no I know from our discourse, or maybe I shall just assume, that we have different definitions on what it means to know with certainty about matters of faith. And I shall leave it at that now so I don’t keep you waiting further.
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Sy, then how can we know with certainty we actually worship the one true God?

Peace!!!
 
PRmerger said:
I don’t think anyone needs to announce to others here that they’re busy.

#understood
#allinthesameboat

You have certainty, if you can justify it. It’s a qualified and quantified certainty. Just not 100% certainty (and nothing, as they say, is 100% certain except death and taxes).
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Well I didn’t think anyone 2 mins after asking needed to come back and say they were waiting. But do I hear a bingo or see a lightbulb flash? Exactly! Like me you’re not 100% certain either that your faith beliefs constitute the fullness of God’s revealed truth. That the justified beliefs we know we have might or might not be truth. That we can’t be certain 100% because we’re talking about faith.
 
adf417 said:
Sy, then how can we know with certainty we actually worship the one true God?

Peace!!!
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Good question. I’d say that puts us back to faith. There are those, for instance those without faith in God, who might say we’re not. We of course believe differently. 👍 Thank you and peace be with you as well!
 
Sy Noe and PRmerger,

I only caught the tailend of your conversation, but fwiw I find it interesting. I had a professor once … well I probably can’t do justice to it, but the bottom line was that she stated quite positively that people in times past knew (not thought they knew or believed) that the world is flat.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Well I didn’t think anyone 2 mins after asking needed to come back and say they were waiting.
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Ah. I see now. You misinterpreted my “I am waiting” comment. And I can see how you did. 🤷

I was making no reference at all about how you hadn’t answered yet. Only to say that I was awaiting your response and interested in it. And I made a separate post just to ensure that you saw my question.

That’s all.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Well I didn’t think anyone 2 mins after asking needed to come back and say they were waiting. But do I hear a bingo or see a lightbulb flash? Exactly! Like me you’re not 100% certain either that your faith beliefs constitute the fullness of God’s revealed truth. That the justified beliefs we know we have might or might not be truth. That we can’t be certain 100% because we’re talking about faith.
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Oh, we are agreed. No one has 100% certainty of anything, except death and taxes.

But we do have certainty about our religious beliefs. :yup:

#certaintyexists
 
benhur said:
Did Jesus or the apostles answer to His magisterium, to His staus quo, or the Sanhedrin or the High priest ? Clearly their mode of inspiration troubled many people.

Blessings
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This is an interesting question. Actually, Jesus did perfectly fullfil the Law and command that we do observe the high priest. He did submit and anser to it. Yet those who delivered the Law did not. And Jesus became the headcorner stone of the New Covenant. And Isaiah 22 was fullfiled.

**Matthew 23 (RSVCE)

Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.**

Yet, I know what you are saying too, I think. The Holy Spirit would lead them to know all things.
 
rcwitness said:
This is an interesting question. Actually, Jesus did perfectly fullfil the Law and command that we do observe the high priest. He did submit and anser to it. Yet those who delivered the Law did not. And Jesus became the headcorner stone of the New Covenant. And Isaiah 22 was fullfiled.

**Matthew 23 (RSVCE)

Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.**

Yet, I know what you are saying too, I think. The Holy Spirit would lead them to know all things.
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Hi rcw,

**“Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees”.**Mat16:12

They had corrupted doctrine also, not just practice or hypocrisy.

So the obedience to authority (Moses Seat) was conditional, upon rightly conveying the Law/Writ.

Yes, the Holy Spirit guides, illumines, and not just the “leaders” but all "citizens’’. It is conditional for both to rightly divide the Word.

The status quo leaders of Jesus’s time did not like His and the apostles divine inspiration, and thought it “private”, even rebellious.

Blessings
 
I know of no one passage that would prove the Bible, however taken in total it would be difficult to form any other conclusion. Go to any Christian Book store, Catholic, Baptist, or many others and you will find volumes on the subject,

I do wish you well in your search, and I suggest you be open to the idea that Jesus is real.

Your Brother in Christ, Jimboky
 
jimboky said:
I know of no one passage that would prove the Bible, however taken in total it would be difficult to form any other conclusion. Go to any Christian Book store, Catholic, Baptist, or many others and you will find volumes on the subject,

I do wish you well in your search, and I suggest you be open to the idea that Jesus is real.

Your Brother in Christ, Jimboky
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What do you mean “prove the Bible”?
 
What do you mean “prove the Bible”?

Well Yes,

My #1 source for the Words of Jesus is the Bible,
 
jimboky said:
My #1 source for the Words of Jesus is the Bible,
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Firstly I was remiss in first welcoming you to the CAFs. So…welcome! :flowers: I’m sure you will find interesting and enlightening dialogue here.

Now, to continue the discourse…

Where do you think the Bible came from? God used what organization to record His Words?
 
PRmerger said:
Where do you think the Bible came from? God used what organization to record His Words?
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If you want to use the term “organization,” then you need to define it and explain why you think it had to be an “organization” that God used.

Edwin
 
I’m sorry,
I surely didn’t intend to suggest anything other then the Bible was anything other then the Word of God,
 
jimboky said:
I’m sorry,
I surely didn’t intend to suggest anything other then the Bible was anything other then the Word of God,
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Would you mind using the “quote” feature, so we know to which post you’re responding.

And you haven’t answered the question: where do you believe the Bible came from? Who did God use to present His Word to the world?
 
Contarini said:
If you want to use the term “organization,” then you need to define it and explain why you think it had to be an “organization” that God used.

Edwin
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Edwin,

the above aside, if not an organization what do YOU think GOD used…?

Mary.
 
PRmerger said:
Would you mind using the “quote” feature, so we know to which post you’re responding.

And you haven’t answered the question: where do you believe the Bible came from? Who did God use to present His Word to the world?
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I’m confused, are you suggesting that the Bible isn’t the Word of God?
 
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