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dann
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OK … I guess you need a particular link that gives what should be obvious to the basic question on the catholic answers forum.
- It (this) a mortal sin?
- I forgit to tell the priest this sin. Did I have a bad confession??
3.can I receive the Eucharist if I did this?
4 is masterbation a mortal sin??
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MaryT777
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Thanks John for asking for the link
That comment usually “goes a long with” Catholics need the priest’s permission to read the Bible, etc.
Happy new year to you and yours.
That comment usually “goes a long with” Catholics need the priest’s permission to read the Bible, etc.
Happy new year to you and yours.
I think all of these are easily answered by a priest. I’m still not understanding why you think this is an intentional attempt to keep people " dumbed down ".
But more importantly, you’ve provided no evidence to support the accusation of a motive for doing so.
We can disagree with Catholics without questioning motives
Thanks, Mary. Without evidence, this kind of accusation is simply unfair. It doesn’t matter which side it comes from
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Reuben_J
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Welcome to the Catholic Church. I agree about those rules. It can get on your nerve sometimes, when its legalism impedes us from doing something. Yes, we have many of them. I am not talking about the spiritual rules, but adminstrative rules we have in the parishes. Guess we have to live with those.
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AnnetteJoan
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When I was a non-Catholic (Orthodox Jew), what bugged me was the perceived attitude amongst Catholics in my community that no matter what a Pope says, he is infallible.
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dann
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Yes . its like hanging on every word.
But the pope is a socialist. And a theocracy. Kinda like Iran.
But the pope is a socialist. And a theocracy. Kinda like Iran.
The Vatican is nothing like Iran. That’s a obnoxious and untrue statement. I can only assume it was meant to be provocative, but it only reflects poorly on the provocateur.
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TheButler
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For me I think it’s that I have to walk on egg-shells when having any discussion about religion. Rather than just say what I would like to say I have to research the Catholic position and avoid at all costs anything that might upset or offend. That’s fine. We should respect each others’ beliefs. I learn a great deal from it. I often feel Catholics don’t reciprocate.
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tgGodsway
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Protestants are bothered about Mary for a few good reasons: (1) Are we talking about the Mary of the bible who was born a sinner and offered God a sin offering with her husband and cried out to God her "savior.? or…
(2) a Mary who through a special miracle, (decreed by a pope centuries later) who was conceived without sin and lived a sinless life? She died and was buried but rose again to sit at the right hand of Jesus Christ making intercession for the Church?.. All of which has no apostolic support or thought whatsoever.
(3) Are we talking about the Mary who’s children are listed in scripture because it was God’s design for Marriage be treated holy and fruitful.
(4) Or a Mary who’s children are called relatives. A Mary who never had relations with Joseph after the birth of their first born son, Jesus. It is said she and her husband remained unconsummated until Joseph’s death, a very unnatural and unscriptural practice.
When we spell out all of these things there is a reasonable cause to be alarmed in light of holy Scripture’s testimony.
(2) a Mary who through a special miracle, (decreed by a pope centuries later) who was conceived without sin and lived a sinless life? She died and was buried but rose again to sit at the right hand of Jesus Christ making intercession for the Church?.. All of which has no apostolic support or thought whatsoever.
(3) Are we talking about the Mary who’s children are listed in scripture because it was God’s design for Marriage be treated holy and fruitful.
(4) Or a Mary who’s children are called relatives. A Mary who never had relations with Joseph after the birth of their first born son, Jesus. It is said she and her husband remained unconsummated until Joseph’s death, a very unnatural and unscriptural practice.
When we spell out all of these things there is a reasonable cause to be alarmed in light of holy Scripture’s testimony.
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PJM
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Really my friend, I don’t know what bible your using but every bible I have seen [including the KJV; but NOT understood] shares a lot of evidence that today’s RCC is the One True Church; founded, desired and protected by the HS AND Jesus Himself
Take each of these teachings as being Literal; Direct; Precise & Exclusively to the RCC through Peter & successors
Mt 10: 1-5 “And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. [2] And **the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother… [5] THESE TWELVE Jesus sent: commanding THEM”
Mt 16:18-19 [18]And I say To THEE That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH [singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to THEE [ALL OF THEM IMPLIED HERE] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever YOU shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
John 17: 17-20 [17] Sanctify THEM in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have SENT THEM into the world. [19] And for THEM do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me"
Verse #19: the RCC is the Only Church; only faith that can claim with evidence that they HAVE Jesus Christ “GOD”; PERSONALLY as the warranty of teaching without even a possibility of error; when teaching on Faith and or Morals.
Mt 28: 19-20 “ [19] Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20] Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS whatsoever I have commanded [“commanded here means taught & commanded] YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.
Eph. 2: 19-20 “ [19] Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners; but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and the domestics of God, [20] Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone”
**Eph 4: 1-6 **“1] I therefore, a prisoner in the Lord, beseech you that you walk worthy of the vocation in which you are called, [2] With all humility and mildness, with patience, supporting one another in charity. [3] Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [4] One BODY [CHURCH] and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. [5] One Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism. [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all”
GBY, PJM
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marylg
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I am Catholic - however, what bothered me before I was Catholic and continues to this day is the lack of community in my church. I’m in my 20s and before joining the Church I knew there wasn’t much community with those my age, but I thought I could get past that and it wouldn’t bother me because I knew the Catholic Church was the true church. However, that was easier said than done. The only people who ever talk to each other at my church are those who are able to frequent the church with daily mass, those on parish council, etc. All of these people are well over the age of 50 so I just feel like I can never relate - it’s nothing personal with them but we are at different stages in our lives. It seems many assume if you aren’t at church a lot as well then you don’t take your faith seriously. While I’m not fully practicing at this time, there was a time I was very much in love with the Catholic Church and even then it was impossible for me to attend daily mass or nearly any of the regular events held there since they are all during typical working hours. So not necessarily a doctrinal issue, but people will always need other people.
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dann
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Wow. This was well thought out… Thanks for sharing.!!
Yes and the Mary that appears to people thur history?
Yes and the Mary that appears to people thur history?
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dann
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Well said. That was an issue with me also… And my family.
And when I went to the adult bible study. Every one was 60-90 years old !!
And when I went to the adult bible study. Every one was 60-90 years old !!
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anon65111186
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Okay, those points sound reasonable, but
A short list of Church fathers :
“Origen
This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one (Homily 1 [A.D. 244]).”
Hippolytus
He [Jesus] was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle [Mary] was exempt from defilement and corruption (Orat. In Illud, Dominus pascit me, in Gallandi, Bibl. Patrum, II, 496 ante [A.D. 235]).
Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Ephraim the Syrian, Ambrose of Milan, Gregory Nazianzen, the list could go on
and even Augustine
“We must except the Holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honor to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin (Nature and Grace 36:42 [A.D. 415]).”
Do you have to have sinned to be saved from sin? God preserved her from original sin, so that is a save right there, and all the times she could have fell into sin, those are also saves. Also, life in Jesus Christ is salvation, so that makes God her salvation.
The bible says she is full of grace, which is only possible if she had no sin. The concept of full of grace is one you should look into. There is heavy and strong support in every century for Mary’s role, sinless life, intercession. If this was something new not handed on from the apostles, the Christian communities would riot, as they often did when heresy was introduced.
A short list of Church fathers :
“Origen
This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one (Homily 1 [A.D. 244]).”
Hippolytus
He [Jesus] was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle [Mary] was exempt from defilement and corruption (Orat. In Illud, Dominus pascit me, in Gallandi, Bibl. Patrum, II, 496 ante [A.D. 235]).
Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Ephraim the Syrian, Ambrose of Milan, Gregory Nazianzen, the list could go on
and even Augustine
“We must except the Holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honor to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin (Nature and Grace 36:42 [A.D. 415]).”
The tradition is they were Josephs children since he was much older and his wife died, so her step-children.
A very supernatural and scriptural practice, because it happens in scripture.
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anon65111186
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Thank you, but you nor I can argue with the first Church fathers about her immaculate status. Even logically, how could the holy of holies that contained God’s presence be even in part sinful? Mary is the ark of the covenant, there could be no sin in her if she was already full of grace to the point that she could be no more full “ Kecharitomene" in the greek complete fullness.Short of the Immaculate Conception, aTo your post.
This was a state that was from the time she was born, for if one sins they are lacking in grace.
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mcq72
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Was it Will Rogers that said, "I never met a catholic i didn’t like " ?
But if you mean a Catholic practice or doctrine, that is something else.
I know I am troubled or grieved at any mass where consecratory words go beyond the original and say/ask/pray the sacrifice (at your hands…the priests) be acceptable. To me it somehow clouds the “thanksgiving” for which we eucharist in the first place…like reoffering up to the Father that which He already offered up for us, and how could it be not acceptable ? Yet the so said/practice/taught conditionality helps set up the priesthood as more than ministers and administrators but of intermediaries ala OT .
The other thing is that during the sermon it seems that the assumption is that all infant baptized are born again and therefore have been spiritually awakened, and therefore can feed upon the Word in spirit. If you are not born again, all you can muster up to comply with a sermon is “flesh”, which would be very frustrating to say the least.
The above critiques and challenges could apply to many churches/ecclesias, not just Catholic.
But if you mean a Catholic practice or doctrine, that is something else.
I know I am troubled or grieved at any mass where consecratory words go beyond the original and say/ask/pray the sacrifice (at your hands…the priests) be acceptable. To me it somehow clouds the “thanksgiving” for which we eucharist in the first place…like reoffering up to the Father that which He already offered up for us, and how could it be not acceptable ? Yet the so said/practice/taught conditionality helps set up the priesthood as more than ministers and administrators but of intermediaries ala OT .
The other thing is that during the sermon it seems that the assumption is that all infant baptized are born again and therefore have been spiritually awakened, and therefore can feed upon the Word in spirit. If you are not born again, all you can muster up to comply with a sermon is “flesh”, which would be very frustrating to say the least.
The above critiques and challenges could apply to many churches/ecclesias, not just Catholic.
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mcq72
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as many Catholics have said, it is not of necessity that she be “immaculate”.
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