Non-Catholics: When you hear Catholics equated to Satan, does it bother you?

[KarenNC]

LOL! Did you mean all denominations besides Catholicism? Yeah that’s wrong of them to say. All other religions are of the devil but all other Christian denominations are not evil in what they teach.

No, the quote was accurate. The intention of the OP in that situation was indeed that anything other than Catholicism (including other groups that identify as Christian which the OP believes are indeed separate religions) were evil.

Being one of those other religions, I will beg to differ about being “of the devil”.

 

[SIA]

I was listening again to a talk by John MacArthur (who I understand is fairly well-respected in Protestant circles). In the 7:00 minute mark of his sermon in this file, he states the following:*In the long war on the truth, the most formidable, relentless, and deceptive enemy has been Roman Catholicism. It is an apostate, corrupt, heretical, false Christianity. It is a front for the kingdom of Satan.*Protestants, non-Catholics, does this sort of comment bother you? In what way??

It bothers me the same way that it bothers me to hear Catholics damning Protestants to hell.

 

[uglygal]

I was listening again to a talk by John MacArthur (who I understand is fairly well-respected in Protestant circles). In the 7:00 minute mark of his sermon in this file, he states the following:*In the long war on the truth, the most formidable, relentless, and deceptive enemy has been Roman Catholicism. It is an apostate, corrupt, heretical, false Christianity. It is a front for the kingdom of Satan.*Protestants, non-Catholics, does this sort of comment bother you? In what way??

It doesn’t bother me because those words very accurately describe many people regardless what faith community they belong to. If they were directed at an individual it would bother me more. Part of why it doesn’t bother me is that those words can be applied to mostly anyone in Christianity depending on who’s saying it - take the comment, delete ‘Roman Catholicism’ and insert ‘other denominations’ name. :whacky:

It’s an opinion

 

[Church_Militant]

I’m not sure “bother” is the right word for my reaction to it, considering that I am most definitely :irish1: :shamrock2: , but I suspect that you’ll not mistake my meaning.

Most of you that know me from around the forums know that I’ll scrap with the devil himself and all his minions and I do disagree with a lot of things in the various n-C faith communities teachings.

That said though, I feel that this kind of rhetoric, (and really, that is all it is. Rhetoric to make himself sound like he’s on some kind of great and vital crusade. ) does nothing but make its proponents look like a jerk, and I thank all of you n-Cs here that have expressed your disdain for MacArthur’s vitriol and its like. I feel the same way when I encounter a Catholic who takes that same stance.

Sure there are differences between us all, but I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe that you guys are bound for hell. That’s not my decision.

The peace of the Lord be with you all.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Well a catholic friend and I attended a prophecy seminar with the SDA’s so Ive experienced with her what a full on attack was like. It wasnt pretty. The guy that was sitting with us actually moved away because she had told him she was catholic earlier. Anyway…

All I remember is Ive been slammed by atheists, but they are so much more charitable in comparision.

Lets put it this way, those (anyone) who profess Christ as Lord when they attack another believer. Are working out of a playbook written in hell.

The attack consists of low blows and rips right to the heart and tears it out.

and satan says well done.

one more battle he doesnt have to fight.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I recall someone said, “The greatest victory of Satan today is having everyone believe that he doesn’t exist.”

 

[Catherine_S]

I was listening again to a talk by John MacArthur (who I understand is fairly well-respected in Protestant circles). In the 7:00 minute mark of his sermon in this file, he states the following:*In the long war on the truth, the most formidable, relentless, and deceptive enemy has been Roman Catholicism. It is an apostate, corrupt, heretical, false Christianity. It is a front for the kingdom of Satan.*Protestants, non-Catholics, does this sort of comment bother you? In what way??

What a performance!!
Quote (his sermon in this file)" When the deluder becomes deluded he makes a dope of himself" " !
A lot of self hate and** jealousy** externalized in **this **rant!
MacArthur will feel better for a little while and than he will need to rant again!!
Eventually it will all take it’s toll and he will end up walking around talking to himself. Reaping what he has sowed.

 

[PaperMoon]

No, the quote was accurate. The intention of the OP in that situation was indeed that anything other than Catholicism (including other groups that identify as Christian which the OP believes are indeed separate religions) were evil.

Being one of those other religions, I will beg to differ about being “of the devil”.

Oh okay. LOL!

 

[031064]

I paraphrase when I say, “Happy are those who suffer in the name of the Lord”. Bring it on! I’ll take it for Him!:knight2: :knight2:

 

[Hilde89]

It makes me sad anytime any Christianity is equated to Satan. Protestants calling Catholics that, that’s just stupid. I’m ashamed.

No, the quote was accurate. The intention of the OP in that situation was indeed that anything other than Catholicism (including other groups that identify as Christian which the OP believes are indeed separate religions) were evil.

Being one of those other religions, I will beg to differ about being “of the devil”.

Me too.

 

[revelations]

The thing is…all this inter-christian bickering…yes it is sickening. Both sides are guilty of pride, which leads to both sides being un-charitable. Calling us the spawn of satan, well that’s something different. Satan isn’t everywhere and you can’t attribute everything to the devil.

Abortion, the untold murder and spiritual slaughter of millions of souls. Now THAT is from satan.

Pornography. A multi BILLION dollar industry that has corrupted our nation’s youth (this one included, saved by the grace of our Lord and shown the way). Now THAT is from satan. Souls are falling into hell like snowflakes over sexual sin.

A structure of sin: planned parenthood, transgender awareness in elementary school, ABC for 9 year olds free of charge, strip clubs, drugs, sexual immorality, drunkeness. This whole structure is from Satan.

Let me tell you one thing satan loves about Christians, it’s the incessant bickering and arguing we do about who loves Jesus more. All the while we sit around arguing over a word in the bible, pro-Choice [death] groups are lobbying successfully in washington unobstructed, there are gay sex orgies in open daylight in the streets of san fran, 75% of female college students say porn (not your daddies magazines either, serious porn) is perfectly ok. These are the people who are going to raise the next generation. Satan is laughing all the way to the bank.

There is a whole religion that is assimilating North America, and its name is Islam. A whole nation of people who don’t even believe in the divinity of Jesus! He is just dismissed as a minor prophet! (which by dogmatic definition, means Islam was revealed by…you guessed it…satan).This is the biggest threat to Christianity, and they are winning. We are at spiritual war, and here we are arguing over who’s translation is better?

We must pray for unity, pray every day for it. As much as we can. Humble yourselves and become open to God and his spirit. HIS will be done, not ours.

-revelations

(p.s. i’m sure if we tossed John MacArthur and Pope Benedict 16 in the middle of saudi arabia and told them to evangelize, they would quickly find a middle ground)

 

[Singinbeauty]

The thing is…all this inter-christian bickering…yes it is sickening. Both sides are guilty of pride, which leads to both sides being un-charitable. Calling us the spawn of satan, well that’s something different. Satan isn’t everywhere and you can’t attribute everything to the devil.

Abortion, the untold murder and spiritual slaughter of millions of souls. Now THAT is from satan.

Pornography. A multi BILLION dollar industry that has corrupted our nation’s youth (this one included, saved by the grace of our Lord and shown the way). Now THAT is from satan. Souls are falling into hell like snowflakes over sexual sin.

A structure of sin: planned parenthood, transgender awareness in elementary school, ABC for 9 year olds free of charge, strip clubs, drugs, sexual immorality, drunkeness. This whole structure is from Satan.

Let me tell you one thing satan loves about Christians, it’s the incessant bickering and arguing we do about who loves Jesus more. All the while we sit around arguing over a word in the bible, pro-Choice [death] groups are lobbying successfully in washington unobstructed, there are gay sex orgies in open daylight in the streets of san fran, 75% of female college students say porn (not your daddies magazines either, serious porn) is perfectly ok. These are the people who are going to raise the next generation. Satan is laughing all the way to the bank.

There is a whole religion that is assimilating North America, and its name is Islam. A whole nation of people who don’t even believe in the divinity of Jesus! He is just dismissed as a minor prophet! (which by dogmatic definition, means Islam was revealed by…you guessed it…satan).This is the biggest threat to Christianity, and they are winning. We are at spiritual war, and here we are arguing over who’s translation is better?

We must pray for unity, pray every day for it. As much as we can. Humble yourselves and become open to God and his spirit. HIS will be done, not ours.

-revelations

(p.s. i’m sure if we tossed John MacArthur and Pope Benedict 16 in the middle of saudi arabia and told them to evangelize, they would quickly find a middle ground)

[SIGN]AMEN!!![/SIGN]

 

[c659smith]

One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church = Catholics = founded by Christ

The Catholic Church is where all Christianity is derived from.
There is not one Protestant based church. Remember the word Protest-ant (means one who protests)

Who were they protesting about, when, and why?

Was King Henry the 8th not protesting his inability to divorce or kill his wives as they did not give him male heirs and because the Catholic Church would not grant him annulments or excuse him of murder. Declaring himself the leader of the church and seperating from the Catholic Church. Oh year and having his dear friend and financial secretary Thomas Moore Beheaded becuse he would not renounce the Catholic Church. The Church of England

Martin Luther was a Catholic Monk and was unhappy with the Catholic Church due to not making changes quick enough for him and not agreeing that the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ was coming during his lifetime. However Luther neveer renounce the authority of the Church only some of the indulgences.

Yes these Christian churches did come out of the Catholic Church.

I recall a scipture when Jesus was performing his Miracles and was accused of doing the work of Satan. Jesus’s response was that a house split aganist itself will fall.

The splitting and resplitting of the Protestan and Anglican Churches is proof of that.

It is tough to have to conform and and give yourself solely to Christ’s will and Jesus created one Church and it can be traced back to the first Pope till today’s Pope Benedict.

Does the Protestan Churches when asked believe Mathias and Paul were Apostles or Deciples as if they believe they were Apostles that they believe in Apostolic sucession which puts a cramp in their beliefs

 

[DLC]

In one way it does. This type of take does not help. People don’t care what you know until they know you care. This type of language does little to encourage people to listnen to the truth. Please remember that this comment by John MacArthur was not intended for Catholics but for others.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church = Catholics = founded by Christ

The Catholic Church is where all Christianity is derived from.
There is not one Protestant based church. Remember the word Protest-ant (means one who protests)

This is a silly game, but I’ll play ​

Who were they protesting about, when, and why?

Was King Henry the 8th not protesting his inability to divorce or kill his wives as they did not give him male heirs and because the Catholic Church would not grant him annulments or excuse him of murder. Declaring himself the leader of the church and seperating from the Catholic Church. Oh year and having his dear friend and financial secretary Thomas Moore Beheaded becuse he would not renounce the Catholic Church.

The Church of England

Three points:​

• 1. Of course the C of E looks bad if one looks only at the less lovely or more tricky aspects of it. So please, stop tempting people to point out the less lovely aspects of the CC.
• 2a. FWIW, St. Peter protested against Jesus’ prediction of His crucifixion. Does that make him a Protestant. St. Paul rebuked Peter too - does that make Paul a Protestant ? Merely to protest, does not make a Protestant.
• 2b. The word’s meaning is dependent on particular historical events - in this case, the protest of the Lutheran princes at the Diet of Speyer in 1529. It also has a positive meaning, “to bear witness” (= pro + testari); specifically, to the Gospel of God’s free grace.
• 3. Nothing has been said about the evils in the pre-Reformation Western Church which were among the causes of the rejection of the Papacy. To ignore them like this, is to risk giving a totally false impression of the events that lead to the rise of Protestantism. The memory of those evils - however distorted it may be - is one of the reasons that some Protestants make the sort of comments made by John MacArthur

Martin Luther was a Catholic Monk and was unhappy with the Catholic Church due to not making changes quick enough for him and not agreeing that the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ was coming during his lifetime. However Luther neveer renounce the authority of the Church only some of the indulgences.

He allowed no authority to Rome - which he regarded as the whore of Rev. 17.​

Yes these Christian churches did come out of the Catholic Church.

I recall a scipture when Jesus was performing his Miracles and was accused of doing the work of Satan. Jesus’s response was that a house split aganist itself will fall.

This has been happening for 1970 years, without any help from Protestantism for most of that time. It is an illusion to exempt any Church from this, the CC included. The repeated rifts with the East, & the Great Schism of 1378-1417, are only two of the divisions in the life of the CC.​

The splitting and resplitting of the Protestan and Anglican Churches is proof of that.

It is tough to have to conform and and give yourself solely to Christ’s will and Jesus created one Church and it can be traced back to the first Pope till today’s Pope Benedict.

Does the Protestan Churches when asked believe Mathias and Paul were Apostles or Deciples as if they believe they were Apostles that they believe in Apostolic sucession which puts a cramp in their beliefs

Ask them ​

It is a mistake to think that only Catholics accept the Apostolic status of Matthias & Paul. There is no necessary connection between accepting the NT statements on the Church & its members, & accepting what Rome says.

 

[c659smith]

Again to playing what you derive as a silly game.

The Church of England was founded how?

Did the end of the earth occur during Luther’s Life?

Why are several books removed in the King James Version of the bible?

Why are most of denominations of Protestism not a paticipant in Holy Communion (Eucharist) Could it be that they do not have the authority? Do you not believe in what Jesus said? It was not a parable but a statement and is in the King James version also numerous time.
My body is true food and my blood true drink whomever eats my body and drinks my blood has everlasting life. Whoever does not eat my body and drink my blood shall have no life within them.

Jesus instructed the Apostles on how to do this at the last supper.

Why do protestant not do as Jesus stated and believe in the transformation of the bread and wine into the body, blood, soul, and Dinity of our Lord.

Why do Protestants only read half passages such as letter to the corithians chapter 5 " the ministry of reconcillation".

Why do protestants not read on when it comes to the bible often in the same chapter as Paul’s writtings concerning works?

What does the bible say about life in the womb?
When Mary saw Elizabeth did not John the Baptist leap in the womb and was he not filled with the holy spirit?
Did God not know David when he was being made in the Womb.

Is this life? yet many protestant denominations do not call abortion intrisically evil and as such condemn those who paticipate.

Remember all Protestant denominations are derived in one way or another from the catholic church and you cannot prove otherwise. Protestant is derived from the word of protest no manner in what way you want to spin it… And years the Apostles had disagreements but when push came to shove Paul and the other Apostles had to go to Peter for approval. It’s all in the Bible. Even in the King James version.

Do deny history or distort it is to deny the truth and one self.

 

[c659smith]

Gods free Grace?

Who told you this was free? Where did you get this from a partial reading of a chapter or book in the bible?

Jesus stated when you follow me brother will fight brother, father aganist son?

Jesus said to follow me you must bear the cross.

Jesus began his church through the cross and persesucution of those who follow. What happened to most of the Apostles? How did they die.

No Jesus gave of himself so that we have the chance to gain heaven if we accept and follow him. To follow him is clearly wriiten in the parables and teachings. Jesus worked miracles, Jesus fed the hungry, Jesus lifted up the poor in Spirit etc… But he did not do this without a price and Jesus did not do this so we could act as we please here on earth and go with the nototion I am saved so no manner what I do I am going to heaven.
There will be a judgement.

Jesus never ever promised a free ride.

 

[c659smith]

Did Jesus not say to Peter you are the rock and upon this rock I will buld my church?

Jesus did not say that to Paul as he was killing Christians at the time and had yet converted. Nor any of the other Apostles.

You said you or many other protestant churches believe in Apostolic sucession well show me from Peter on. The Catholic Church is the one and only true Church that can.

Yes man is man and as such he is weak and will doubt, deny,sin, and disagree.

Why even Jesus’s original 12 Apostles had one that was evil and his name was Judas Ascoriat

John the Baptist just prior to his death, Doubting Thomas, Peter , etc… That does make men foulable but Jesus’s Church, the Catholic Church infoulable.

As a Catholic I know that the church will be persecuted as stated in the Bible as such accept that. Jesus was accussed by the Jewish priest as a demon and performing demonic acts.

 

[Ingoditrust]

Catholic bashing is perfectly sound. There are four Protestants in a Forum: The Pope’s Anti-Political Politics that, hearing the word pope, leapt at the opportunity to slander the Church, its ways, and its leader. They are on this site that I am also a member of: www.christianpost.com They are really going at it, claiming that Catholics PRAY to Mary (despite what I tell them) they are also saying that every pope has been corrupt and that the Church is actually a money-based scheme that is trying to lead people TOWARDS HELL!! They are really beating me up, if someone that has an account on that site could maybe, ummm help me defend the faith? I would really appreciate it. These four are going crazy with accusations.

 

[Ingoditrust]

It is funny, these four protestants are claiming that our bible is anti-biblical because it came from Alexandrian text. Hm.