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CopticChristian
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Define Truth as you understand it for me.
Non-Catholics: Why are you here?
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Ophoe
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Indeed, I have run into Scott Hahn! Such a wealth of passion and knowledge. It is quite a blessing to have studied under him, but I think I ought to get up the nerve to talk to him face to face at some point. I am sure he could provide many interesting insights to my questions. And, indeed, I have found that the most knowledgeable Catholics are the ones that became so later in life, especially the former Protestants. I can only hope and pray that such zeal for understanding would spread to all Catholics! Thank you for your support as I seek to follow our Lord. In him, and him alone, is life. May all men come to know the riches of his grace!!
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Ophoe
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Thank you, Faithdancer.
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fred_conty
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I not one for chatting in this chatroom that much so I felt it was a good reason to at least send this one.
I only here to see what you Latins think of Orthodox Christians and to keep up with what you RC are doing or saying to one another. What I’ve seen so far is that RC have hangups when it comes to Orthodox Christians. RC are no angles when it comes to being nice to Orthodox Christians. I’ve seen it in my own life over the year, so please don’t try to tell me other wise.
If you were to ask me how I view Roman Catholic Religion; I look upon them just like Roman Protestant no more or no less like their counter parts the Protestant Religion. You guys are just the others side of the same coin. Hey Pope Paul VI said it best when he was asked about the New Mass and I quote the changes in the Mass was too “ Make it more acceptable to Protestant” I could say it better…
Oh! The Quote in the start of the question (I can’t help but think they’re here to convert us) You don’t any help from us. You guys are doing just great in driving out Catholic who just get sick of what they see in their Church and join and convert to Orthodoxy. About half or the Parish I’m a part of, use to be RC at one time. Keep up the good work……
Hi Frank,
Maybe you would benefit with a break for a while. The central point of all is to consider one another. Best wishes.
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Catholichsmom
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]Why do you not agree with the church’s teaching on these things? I don’t see how anyone could think abortion is OK.
Being a cradle Catholic with a weak formation, I believed that abortion was “not for me” but it should be legal because not every one thinks the same way. As my faith grew and my understanding of what conception truly meant, I have absolutely changed my position. One of the pro-abortion arguments is that an acorn is not an oak tree and while it would be a shame to chop down a 200 year old oak, destroying an acorn is not the same - a blob of cells is not a gurgling, cooing baby…sadly, this is a true argument.
Our society does not value suffering, or things of no “value”. Down’s children, religious, large families…spring to mind. The Church values these and I am eternally grateful!
When my children ask about those who seek abortions, I always remind them it is a decision made in fear and we need to pray for that woman because at the heart she is scared and cannot see the whole picture.
Being a cradle Catholic with a weak formation, I believed that abortion was “not for me” but it should be legal because not every one thinks the same way. As my faith grew and my understanding of what conception truly meant, I have absolutely changed my position. One of the pro-abortion arguments is that an acorn is not an oak tree and while it would be a shame to chop down a 200 year old oak, destroying an acorn is not the same - a blob of cells is not a gurgling, cooing baby…sadly, this is a true argument.
Our society does not value suffering, or things of no “value”. Down’s children, religious, large families…spring to mind. The Church values these and I am eternally grateful!
When my children ask about those who seek abortions, I always remind them it is a decision made in fear and we need to pray for that woman because at the heart she is scared and cannot see the whole picture.
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CopticChristian
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I pray you have told her so and I pray you and she regularly visit with a priest to continue your journey.
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CopticChristian
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I would have to tell you all the wonderful things found in the Catholic faith that are not found in all the thousands of Protestant faiths. Then I would have to tell you all of the errors that are found in the thousands of Protestant faiths that are not found in the Catholic faith. And all the thousands of Protestant faiths disagree with one another on
hundreds of important issues and doctrines. Predestination is one example.
So in brief, the Catholic church teaches the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth from the beginning. Fred Conte
You are an enigma. Your post is denegrating and in another post you say the opposite. Let us just say that The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church is East and West. Portions of the East are united and in time the remainder of the East will be united. Would you disagree that the Holy Spirit dwells in Orthodox, Eastern & Western Catholic Churches? If not then all we have here is a split based on the humanity and not the divinity of the Church. If the Church is the body of Christ human/divine then the humanity needs to catch up with the divinity. It serves no purpose to continue that denegration and split as it grieves the Holy Spirit.
Help me understand the dichotomy of your perspectives as seen in this post and a prior post by you.
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samiam1611
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Oh yeah that acorn analogy is exactly how I see it. That’s a good representation of my opinion. yep yep. acorn = embryo in my mind. That’s really my only “argument.” (Not really an argument…just, conveys why I am so blasé blasé about it.)
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Hboggs
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May God bless you for your willingness to seek and learn.
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Pacos_Pete
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Kelley, your comments dealing with governments, reminded me of a statement of an athlete from another country. There were 8 teams representing 7 other countries and one US team.
Each teams spokesman at the closing dinner would make comments. The one that sticks in my mind was; “we want to live in peace, but our leaders won’t let us.”
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Stalwart
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I’m here to learn more about Catholicism, and engage in good-natured discussion with Catholics about the individual merits of the respective churches.
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Vman358
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Hi,Short version: too strict.
Extended version: I don’t like how the Church tells people how to act and that if they don’t follow the rules, they are offending God and might even go to Hell. Even when one’s conscience says it’s okay to do something, the Church basically says nope you’re wrong. I don’t understand why the Church is so bossy, and I even more can’t understand why people let Her boss them around.
I haven’t read the other posts so forgive me if someone responded to this or has given you this answer.
I used to be a legalist within the Catholic Church. Then I heard Christopher West’s explaination of John Paul II’s Theology of the Body [TOB].
Naked Without Shame: A Crash Course in the Theology of the Body was the 1st presentation I heard of (10 CDs). You can buy it or hear it free here:
giftfoundation.org/products_naked.cfm
Workbook here:
ascensionpress.com/shop/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=162
A good place to start (little books):
Theology of the Body for Beginners (revised edition)
Good News about Sex & Marriage (revised edition)
are good places to start
Freedom from the law is possible.
Regarding conscience, I’ve heard it said that you must follow your conscience even if what you are doing is wrong. But you must also reform your conscience in accord with Christ.
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Genovefa
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If your conscience is aligned with Christ, how could it be wrong?
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Ophoe
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I just want to point out that if your conscience is telling you to do something you know is wrong, it isn’t your conscience…
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Usbek_de_Perse
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OK, I’ve answered this thread before. But here is why I am here: If there were no Protestants, Jews, Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Agnostics, etc, what the heck would you all talk about?
Magisterium this, catechism that. It would get old. So we are here to provide levity. Thank us.
Magisterium this, catechism that. It would get old. So we are here to provide levity. Thank us.
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NetStar
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Ok, I’m Catholic, but I’m glad our Non-Catholic Brothers and Sisters are here. I learn from them and I hope they learn from us.
Real Communication is the first step into understanding each other. By being here, we get to share with them. They in turn find out what we Really Believe, not just what “others” may be telling them that we believe.
I can’t tell you how many times, too many to count, that as a Catholic I believe this or that…comming from someone who has no idea of what we Really believe, they just heard it from someone else, so after all that person who told them, must know better than I do?
Yet when I tell them the truth, they won’t believe me, because their friend knows better?
So I very much like having our Non-Catholic Brothers and Sisters here. They will hear the truth from us on what we believe, even if they don’t agree, that’s ok, but at least they’ll know the truth of our believes and not some made up things someone else told them.
For that I thank them very much!
Real Communication is the first step into understanding each other. By being here, we get to share with them. They in turn find out what we Really Believe, not just what “others” may be telling them that we believe.
I can’t tell you how many times, too many to count, that as a Catholic I believe this or that…comming from someone who has no idea of what we Really believe, they just heard it from someone else, so after all that person who told them, must know better than I do?
Yet when I tell them the truth, they won’t believe me, because their friend knows better?So I very much like having our Non-Catholic Brothers and Sisters here. They will hear the truth from us on what we believe, even if they don’t agree, that’s ok, but at least they’ll know the truth of our believes and not some made up things someone else told them.
For that I thank them very much!
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Planty_Business
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As I stated in the Meet and Greet forums, my main reason for posting here is to set a positive example of nonreligious people while having intelligent discussions with other people about important topics. Someone on CAF (I cannot recall his/her username) said that one thing that would convince him/her that metaphysical naturalism is a sensible world view would be if he/she were to meet a nonreligious person who was a genuinely moral, intelligent, and charitable person to rival a Catholic. Now, granted, this would probably be impossible given what a Catholic’s idea of a moral person is (it is incompatible with secular ethics), but it was a promising sentiment nonetheless. Perhaps, when religious people see how atheists really act, and realize that being nonreligious doesn’t make you a total monster who constantly indulges in hedonistic pleasures, that will convince them that atheists are as good as they are - and that we have as much of a right to be included in “one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all” as anyone who is “under God”.
So there you have it. No, I’m not trying to “convert” you, but I just want you to consider whether your life really would be meaningless and amoral without religion. Forums are for the exchange of ideas and information, and that is what I use this one for.
So there you have it. No, I’m not trying to “convert” you, but I just want you to consider whether your life really would be meaningless and amoral without religion. Forums are for the exchange of ideas and information, and that is what I use this one for.
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Glennonite
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Yeah; that’s it exactly. When I NEED to know what others think about me, I don’t ask the person who is always positive and complimentary. I go to the person who will give me their honest opinion, regardless whether it might be less than complimantary.
The CC is the standard and “she don’t care” who dissagrees with her. An “honest church” must be firm and speak the hard, cold, truth for our own good.
My doctor is like that: “Don’t eat this stuff…Don’t do that stuff… Do more of this stuff…”
Rules, rules…
Sorry, SamIAm; I usually like your take on most subjects. In this case…I’m a little surprised.
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miaB
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I have attended Baptist, Missionary, Methodist, Brethren, Wesleyan, Non denominational, and Mennonite churches. I have grown up mainly in a ND church. I came here to learn about the catholic church and culture. My husband and I are starting RCIA in the fall. While I believe some people enjoy being argumentative for the sake of controversy and others argue out of ignorance or prejudice; many are like me and just trying to find some undefined aspect of our faith that is lacking. I believe that many who are well informed are still holding onto the untruth and prejudice many of us hear from our elders about Catholics and Catholicism. Forgive them… old habits die hard but hopefully they do die eventually.
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Holly3278
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I would say that many non-Catholics are here because they have questions about Catholicism. Some of them want to debate with Catholics and others are here just because they like the place! In any case, I hope and pray that all of the non-Catholics who visit this message board will receive the light of Christ in their hearts through the help of members of CAF and be converted to Catholicism!
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