Non-Catholics, would you feel comfortable at a CC Mass?

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I am happy I don’t have to jump around in different churches, that God had planted me in the church He established. I was baptized in the Catholic church, and will die in one.
Glad to hear you are happy where you are. I have done the same, with the exception of moving half-way across the State when we got married and my wife found a great job. But there are others out there, Catholics included, that jump around to different parishes or churches to try and find a good fit and someplace they feel comfortable.
 
Whenever I walk into a Catholic Church, I feel it’s a holy place because Jesus is there in the Eucharist. To me that doesn’t really compare to anything. I’ve been to Protestant churches but I don’t feel that same way there… 😦
 
Please forgive me, but this looks more like a school play from my son’s school auditorium.
The only complaint I have about the Sanctuary built in 2006 is that it is does look more sanitized than the Sanctuary it replaced. But I don’t want to get into a big tangential discussion about church architecture. We can start a thread somewhere if we want to get into that mess 🙂 .
 
Glad to hear you are happy where you are. I have done the same, with the exception of moving half-way across the State when we got married and my wife found a great job. But there are others out there, Catholics included, that jump around to different parishes or churches to try and find a good fit and someplace they feel comfortable.
If Catholics are jumping around, it is to find a fit in another Catholic church, not another denomination. Catholics do not leave their faith from one church to another. But as I recall, someone here said they went from Episcopalian to Methodist to whatever. We don’t do that. I have gone to Mass at St. Joseph’s, St. Mary’s etc…they are all Catholic.
 
If Catholics are jumping around, it is to find a fit in another Catholic church, not another denomination. Catholics do not leave their faith from one church to another. But as I recall, someone here said they went from Episcopalian to Methodist to whatever. We don’t do that. I have gone to Mass at St. Joseph’s, St. Mary’s etc…they are all Catholic.
You’ve hit upon a difference between Protestants and Catholics in your post…I have been a Friend for over 30 years…I have visited other faith traditions and felt very welcome as well as had a wonderful worship experience with them…but I wasn’t attending “another faith”…just another tradition of the same faith…among them Catholic.

When I have lived where there was no Friend’s Meeting close by I have worshiped with the Methodists, Episcopalians, UCC and even a Unitarian fellowship a time or two…but it was the same Lord, same Faith and we all experienced the One Baptism of the Spirit…and it was He who bound us together in Him.

For many of us of the Protestant tradition…going to a fellowship not our usual tradition is not “another faith”…it is the same Faith…just a different tradition.
 
You’ve hit upon a difference between Protestants and Catholics in your post…I have been a Friend for over 30 years…I have visited other faith traditions and felt very welcome as well as had a wonderful worship experience with them…but I wasn’t attending “another faith”…just another tradition of the same faith…among them Catholic.

When I have lived where there was no Friend’s Meeting close by I have worshiped with the Methodists, Episcopalians, UCC and even a Unitarian fellowship a time or two…but it was the same Lord, same Faith and we all experienced the One Baptism of the Spirit…and it was He who bound us together in Him.

For many of us of the Protestant tradition…going to a fellowship not our usual tradition is not “another faith”…it is the same Faith…just a different tradition.
Well if that works for you, then great. Frankly if one has the truth, they need not look neither here nor there. If you feel a little more comfortable wording it this way then fine. Protestants have so many interpretations that you simply call “traditions” of the bible, it isn’t funny. the Catholic church has no confusion, no chaos, only one. As Jesus Christ chose. One flock. One.
 
Well if that works for you, then great. Frankly if one has the truth, they need not look neither here nor there. If you feel a little more comfortable wording it this way then fine. Protestants have so many interpretations that you simply call “traditions” of the bible, it isn’t funny. the Catholic church has no confusion, no chaos, only one. As Jesus Christ chose. One flock. One.
Most Protestants do not look upon their “traditions” as “Truth”…but vehicles of Truth. Truth is something lived…not necessarily something “believed” and expressed. The creeds and faith satements seek to express Eternal Truth with finite words. We too believe we are One Flock with One Shepherd…along with you as members of His Body.

We all who share in His incarnation and Life are members of One Body…it knows no denominational boundary…or ecclesiastical separation except by our own making.

Truth is experienced and while many of us who are Protestants may look for deeper and better expressions of that Truth…we for the most part do not confuse our poor frail faith statements as Truth…the Truth is “seen through a glass darkly, but then face to face we shall know…”

If Catholic expression and belief make the Truth real to you and if this Truth as expressed in Catholic terms and words bring you closer to the Light of the World and if that Catholic expression causes you to be compassionate, understanding, merciful toward those who may not have the deep insights of the Spirit you share, so much the better. We rejoice with you as you walk with Him in love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, meekness and patience “agaist which there is no law”.

We pray that you would join with us in prayer and hope that His will would be manifest in our lives as we share with you as members of His Body…even though “imperfectly” from your point of view…we still are members of His Body, joined with Him through the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Peace to you friend.
 
I do not feel uncomfortable at a Catholic Mass, however I was Catholic for years and when I do go, I still see many of my Catholic friends. It’s almost like a reunion.
 
I do not feel uncomfortable at a Catholic Mass, however I was Catholic for years and when I do go, I still see many of my Catholic friends. It’s almost like a reunion.
I seriously thought I’d heard it all…what is a cheesian? Is that sarcastic? Or do you worship cheese.
 
I remember how I felt at the first Mass I went to - just a year ago, Christmas Midnight Mass. I was excited about being there but also felt really self-conscious - for example, I didn’t genuflect because I felt like I would do it wrong and everyone would look at me funny.

I also felt lost - I had no idea what was what or who was who, and got hopelessly lost looking through the missalette. But I also found it fascinating and beautiful. The only thing I thought was really odd was the incense - I had no idea what it was for or why they used it.

But it was only about 6 or 8 weeks later - around the beginning of Lent - that I started going regularly and quickly got used to it. It was Holy Week or so that I finally stopped following along in the missalette. And this Christmas I was eagerly anticipating the incense at Midnight Mass!
 
kalt, before we converted to Catholicism in 2004, my husband and I were evangelical Protestants.

So I’ll try to answer your question the way we would have answered back then.

No, we did not feel comfortable at Mass.

The first Masses we attended in 2002 were OF Masses, with contemporary (Haugen, Hass, etc.) hymns, in a clamshell nave, with a pastor who wears a Chicago Bears jersey under his vestments.

But in spite of all these innovations which many on CAF would derisively call “Protestant,” my husband and I felt extremely uncomfortable at the Mass.

We found it ancient, ritualistic, formal, and…well, uncomfortable is a good word.

We had no idea what was happening, although we did understand (because of some old Catholic elementary school story books that I had at home) that the Communion was the time when Jesus became Truly Present on the altar.

To us, the use of any type of liturgy was very strange, as evangelical churches never use a liturgy because it is “a work of man.”

We didn’t know any of the liturgical responses except for the Lord’s Prayer, and even that was different because they added the “ending” (Thine is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory) after a lot of “man-made” words. (We thought that “Thine is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory” were in the Bible, therefore not man-made! Joke’s on us!)

We didn’t know ANY of the hymns, in spite of their 20th century authorship (and in spite of the fact that many on CAF call these hymns “Protestant”. I don’t get that at all.) We found these Jesuit hymns extremely old-fashioned and quaint and poetical and very deep spiritually compared to the rock music and repetitious, simplistic lyrics that we were used to in the praise and worship songs. I really liked the use of 6/8 time in so many of the Catholic (yes, Catholic, even though Marty Haugen is a Protestant) hymns–it seemed more ancient to me than the 4/4 that we were used to with so many comtemporary praise and worship songs.

We weren’t used to kneeling, although in my husband’s Assemblies of God church where he grew up, the people often knelt (facing the back of their pews).

Also, people wore their coats–we still find that strange (does anyone remember the infamous “coat rack” thread that I started a few years ago on this board?! And the inglorious closing of the thread due to the terrific fight that erupted?!)

And people didn’t speak to each other, except during the few seconds of the Sign of Peace. That was very strange to us–it felt terribly uncomfortable to just sit in silence. We were used to meeting and greeting people before and after worship services. (We have since learned that our parish is actually very noisy compared to the “TLM” Mass that is held in our city, and we are considered “irreverent” because people do whisper greetings to each other.)

The vestments that the priest wore were strange. The decorations (statues, even though our parish only has a few), pictures, candles, etc. were all strange.

We had no idea when to stand, sit, kneel, sing, etc.

I could go on and on, kalt, but in short, yes, we were extremely uncomfortable. Even though a lot of people call the OF Mass “Protestantized,” absolutely never, ever in a million years would most evangelical Protestants feel comfortable in even the most contemporary of OF settings (which ours was, even though we didn’t know it at the time).

My husband and I actually made an appointment with one of the priests after the first few Masses we attended, and asked him to explain everything in the Mass to us so that we wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable.

Our parish now has a very nice tract rack in the narthex, and one of the tracts explains the Mass to newcomers. This tract disappears quickly every week. I think a lot of Catholics, not just Protestant visitors, take it home!
Frankly, I am a sceptic to what most non-Catholics say about the churches anyway. I don’t believe any of it and I went to Mass all over the world. Whoever says that a priest woulld wear a “Bears shirt” under his vestments is not telling the truth, and one who claims a priest said all are invited, I do not believe either. Unless he meant all which is the Catholics only. And a priest would assume that only a Catholic would attend a Catholic Mass anyway.
RomanCath379,

kalt, who wrote about the “Chicago Bears jersey,” is Catholic, not Protestant.

Do you still distrust the account of their experience, knowing they are not Protestant?

Anna
 
I love how children are welcome at Mass, and families sit together, not teenagers with their friends, or children completely absent from worship. Just watch a televangelist sometime, there are NO children or youth present. They are shuffled off someplace else. Jesus said let the little children come unto Me. The art and stained glass is a sermon for children.
You know, I never really thought of the art being a sermon for the children. That is actually very nice.

Anna
 
As a convert of over 26 years now, used to be Southern Baptist, I find that I am not comfortable in the Southern Baptist church. I walk away feeling like I am lacking something, something was missing, or unsatisfied. Its kind like expecting Dr Pepper and getting water. I do not know how to explain it any other way. I am not trying to be rude because I know these folks are Christians and love the Lord.
wmscott,

I do know what you mean. I grew up in Baptist Churches, but through study, have found many of the Baptist doctrines to be false.

My name is still on the role of a large local Baptist Church. I think the membership is over 12,000 now. Texas is known for mega-churches.

Sadly, Sunday morning “worship” has turned into what I would call a “spectator sport.” I do not intend any offense to my Baptist brethren. I miss the small “country” church of my early childhood, where everyone knew everyone; and the focus was on worship in a simple and pure form.

I just have found the evolution of the services to have reached a level of emptiness. It takes so much money to run these huge churches, with all the entertainment and activities it provides for members. While it is good to have gatherings with family and our Christian brothers and sisters; I just wonder if that money wouldn’t be better spent helping the poor. Just a thought, among many, that I ponder these days.

Anna
 
I do know what you mean. I grew up in Baptist Churches, but through study, have found many of the Baptist doctrines to be false.
I know what you mean. I very carefully studied Catholicism for 5 years, with 3 Catholic teachers, reading and studying every single one of those 2,875 points of the Catechism. And I found some of them to be unique, baseless - without any confirmation in Scripture or often even in it’s own tradition…

And since a Catholic is required by The Catholic Church to accept all it says “with docility” as infallible/unaccountable, I did the honest thing and left.
Sadly, Sunday morning “worship” has turned into what I would call a “spectator sport.”
I loved and highly value liturgical worship - and it was largely Catholic worship that brought me back week after week - even as I grew increasingly uncomfortable with the CC demand for docility and it’s focus on itself. But I do think that an unfortunate side effect of all the great professionalism of Catholic worship is that it tends to leave the worshippers as audience to a show (beautiful and wonderous and blessed though it be). I think this is why so many Catholics barely sing or participate in the service. Too bad.
I just wonder if that money wouldn’t be better spent helping the poor. Just a thought, among many, that I ponder these days.
… that is a common criticism of Catholicism. Yes, they had all paid, professional musicians (and it DID show - they were awesome), an amazing pipe organ that I suspect cost well into 6 figures, and they did all this in a chapel with amazing stain glass, woodwork - I’m sure it would cost well over 10 million bucks to duplicate, a LOT more. But I don’t know. Think of the Temple of Solomon, it was pretty expensive in its day, too. I don’t critize all this expense on trappings and professionalism in Catholicism too much. There is an AWE aspect that can result from all this enormous, enormous expenditure (and thus all the perpetual fundraisers, bizaars, faires, craft sales, dinners, etc. for which Catholicism is so well known), you gotta pay for all that flash somehow!

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Our Children’s Sermon takes place before our sermon in church with us. It is always connected in some way with what our sermon is to be.

It is wonderful seeing all the children run and walk up to the altar so eagerly to hear the message, then bow their heads in prayer at the conslusion of their sermon before running back to their parents.

Children=church is alive and growing!!

Publisher I am enjoying your comments-off topic- hey have you heard of Phillip Gully? I have heard him speak and really enjoy him.

…I have visited other faith traditions and felt very welcome as well as had a wonderful worship experience with them…but I wasn’t attending “another faith”…just another tradition of the same faith…

I have a lot of friends from different walks of life that attend many different denominations and so have been invited to many different churches. I believe it is a very good thing to expose yourself to different expressions faith,** flavors**!.
 
kalt, before we converted to Catholicism in 2004, my husband and I were evangelical Protestants.

So I’ll try to answer your question the way we would have answered back then.

No, we did not feel comfortable at Mass.

The first Masses we attended in 2002 were OF Masses, with contemporary (Haugen, Hass, etc.) hymns, in a clamshell nave, with a pastor who wears a Chicago Bears jersey under his vestments.

But in spite of all these innovations which many on CAF would derisively call “Protestant,” my husband and I felt extremely uncomfortable at the Mass.

We found it ancient, ritualistic, formal, and…well, uncomfortable is a good word.

We had no idea what was happening, although we did understand (because of some old Catholic elementary school story books that I had at home) that the Communion was the time when Jesus became Truly Present on the altar.

To us, the use of any type of liturgy was very strange, as evangelical churches never use a liturgy because it is “a work of man.”

We didn’t know any of the liturgical responses except for the Lord’s Prayer, and even that was different because they added the “ending” (Thine is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory) after a lot of “man-made” words. (We thought that “Thine is the Kingdom, Power, and Glory” were in the Bible, therefore not man-made! Joke’s on us!)

We didn’t know ANY of the hymns, in spite of their 20th century authorship (and in spite of the fact that many on CAF call these hymns “Protestant”. I don’t get that at all.) We found these Jesuit hymns extremely old-fashioned and quaint and poetical and very deep spiritually compared to the rock music and repetitious, simplistic lyrics that we were used to in the praise and worship songs. I really liked the use of 6/8 time in so many of the Catholic (yes, Catholic, even though Marty Haugen is a Protestant) hymns–it seemed more ancient to me than the 4/4 that we were used to with so many comtemporary praise and worship songs.

We weren’t used to kneeling, although in my husband’s Assemblies of God church where he grew up, the people often knelt (facing the back of their pews).

Also, people wore their coats–we still find that strange (does anyone remember the infamous “coat rack” thread that I started a few years ago on this board?! And the inglorious closing of the thread due to the terrific fight that erupted?!)

And people didn’t speak to each other, except during the few seconds of the Sign of Peace. That was very strange to us–it felt terribly uncomfortable to just sit in silence. We were used to meeting and greeting people before and after worship services. (We have since learned that our parish is actually very noisy compared to the “TLM” Mass that is held in our city, and we are considered “irreverent” because people do whisper greetings to each other.)

The vestments that the priest wore were strange. The decorations (statues, even though our parish only has a few), pictures, candles, etc. were all strange.

We had no idea when to stand, sit, kneel, sing, etc.

I could go on and on, kalt, but in short, yes, we were extremely uncomfortable. Even though a lot of people call the OF Mass “Protestantized,” absolutely never, ever in a million years would most evangelical Protestants feel comfortable in even the most contemporary of OF settings (which ours was, even though we didn’t know it at the time).

My husband and I actually made an appointment with one of the priests after the first few Masses we attended, and asked him to explain everything in the Mass to us so that we wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable.

Our parish now has a very nice tract rack in the narthex, and one of the tracts explains the Mass to newcomers. This tract disappears quickly every week. I think a lot of Catholics, not just Protestant visitors, take it home!
Frankly, I am a sceptic to what most non-Catholics say about the churches anyway. I don’t believe any of it and I went to Mass all over the world. Whoever says that a priest woulld wear a “Bears shirt” under his vestments is not telling the truth, and one who claims a priest said all are invited, I do not believe either. Unless he meant all which is the Catholics only. And a priest would assume that only a Catholic would attend a Catholic Mass anyway.
RomanCath379,

kalt, who wrote about the “Chicago Bears jersey,” is Catholic, not Protestant.

Do you still distrust the account of their experience, knowing they are not Protestant?

Anna
Correction: It was Cat, not Kalt. Cat is Catholic, not Protestant.

Anna
 
Most Protestants do not look upon their “traditions” as “Truth”…but vehicles of Truth. Truth is something lived…not necessarily something “believed” and expressed. The creeds and faith satements seek to express Eternal Truth with finite words. We too believe we are One Flock with One Shepherd…along with you as members of His Body.

We all who share in His incarnation and Life are members of One Body…it knows no denominational boundary…or ecclesiastical separation except by our own making.

Truth is experienced and while many of us who are Protestants may look for deeper and better expressions of that Truth…we for the most part do not confuse our poor frail faith statements as Truth…the Truth is “seen through a glass darkly, but then face to face we shall know…”

If Catholic expression and belief make the Truth real to you and if this Truth as expressed in Catholic terms and words bring you closer to the Light of the World and if that Catholic expression causes you to be compassionate, understanding, merciful toward those who may not have the deep insights of the Spirit you share, so much the better. We rejoice with you as you walk with Him in love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, meekness and patience “agaist which there is no law”.

We pray that you would join with us in prayer and hope that His will would be manifest in our lives as we share with you as members of His Body…even though “imperfectly” from your point of view…we still are members of His Body, joined with Him through the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Peace to you friend.
Catholics believe that truth is knowable. We don’t believe that we know all of the truth that God knows.

And a general pondering -

I wonder where these misconceptions of Catholicism come from. It seems that others have a glimpse of Catholicism and, though they say that they can’t know truth, seem to have no problem building a myth on a factoid and calling it the truth about Catholicism, even going so far as to argue in the face of the actual truth about Catholicism.
 
I am happy I don’t have to jump around in different churches, that God had planted me in the church He established. I was baptized in the Catholic church, and will die in one.
Lord, I hope it’s not at the Mass I’m attending. 😉

I think most Catholics agree with you. We know that we’re lucky to have been born into a Catholic family and don’t have to mentally fight the prejudices against the CC that are taught to children by their well-meaning (I hope!) parents and religious teachers (and most of non-Catholic society in general, sad to say) to find the fullness of truth in the CC.
 
Do you think you would feel comfortable coming to a Catholic Church for Mass?

If you have come, what is your experience?
After being absent from the Roman Catholic church for the past several years I would not feel comfortable there for mass for several reasons. First of all, I believe that the Catholic church is much more intimate with Mary than is appropriate. Secondly I do not believe that the mass is a time transcending sacrifice (being contrary to Scripture). Thirdly, I do not subscribe to the Bishop of Rome being the infallible ruler over the entire Church. And finally, I would not go where I could not receive the body and blood of Christ at communion.
 
After being absent from the Roman Catholic church for the past several years I would not feel comfortable there for mass for several reasons. First of all, I believe that the Catholic church is much more intimate with Mary than is appropriate. Secondly I do not believe that the mass is a time transcending sacrifice (being contrary to Scripture). Thirdly, I do not subscribe to the Bishop of Rome being the infallible ruler over the entire Church. And finally, I would not go where I could not receive the body and blood of Christ at communion.
Just asking, cause I honestly don’t know the answer. Will any Church, protestant or not, allow someone to just walk in and take communion?
 
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