Non-denominational Christians

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ricmat said:
Awantz: you strike me as a very holy and dedicated person, in love with Christ, and trying to do the best for your family. I just wanted to let you know that I respect you and your positions. It is admirable that you take the time to investigate things on CAF.

That being said, I just have one more question (others will no doubt have a lot more)…

Does your pastor have any doubts that he is changing the bread and wine to the real body and blood of Christ? I wonder. It would be a good question to ask him privately.
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Here is another question for Awantz:

What does your church do with the Communion left over after the service?
 
awantz said:
A believer is one who has placed their complete faith and trust in Christ for salvation, realizing that they are unable to meet God’s standards of righteousness by their own efforts.
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So if you put your complete faith and trust in Christ, shouldn’t you put your complete faith and trust in every word from the mouth of God and follow ALL of His commands? Like the fact that Jesus established ONE Church that was to be totally consistent in doctrine, even if every one of her teachings may not meet everyone’s personal likings.

This was something I had to face up to myself at one point and it was a humbling and difficult experience, but it ended up leading me closer to what God has always really wanted for me.

However, facts are facts and the Bible tells us explicitly that Jesus Christ established ONE authoritative infallible Church. When you have 30,000 different churches teaching 30,000 different doctrines that contradict one another, 29,999 are going to be wrong on in at least one teaching.
 
the Bible tells us explicitly that Jesus Christ established ONE authoritative infallible Church.
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not explictly, and it does not say it is referring to the Catholic Church either
 
awantz said:
It isn’t so, because we believe it to be so. It is so, because God said it is so and my pastor makes that known when we take communion.
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Well, of course God says it so but your church honestly and with due respect, does not have the authority of Apostolic succesion. Without that, your sacrament is not valid as being the actual body and blood of Christ, no matter what your pastor says.
The Catholic Church has the authority of apostolic sucession.

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jack_hawkins said:
not explictly, and it does not say it is referring to the Catholic Church either
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What it says in John 21:15-19 is that Jesus appointed Peter to be the chief shepherd of His church. Let’s call this one “Church A.”

What we know from history is that Peter was the first Pope (chief shepherd) of the Catholic Church. Let’s call this one “Church B.”

Church A’s first chief shepherd was the Apostle Peter.

Church B’s first chief shepherd was the Apostle Peter.

Therefore, Church A and Church B are the same Church.
 
ricmat said:
Awantz: you strike me as a very holy and dedicated person, in love with Christ, and trying to do the best for your family. I just wanted to let you know that I respect you and your positions. It is admirable that you take the time to investigate things on CAF.

That being said, I just have one more question (others will no doubt have a lot more)…

Does your pastor have any doubts that he is changing the bread and wine to the real body and blood of Christ? I wonder. It would be a good question to ask him privately.
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I don’t think he does but if I can get some private time with him I will ask him.
 
Janet_S said:
Here is another question for Awantz:

What does your church do with the Communion left over after the service?
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As far as I know. We keep it and reuse it. I know, for sure, that is what my last church did.
 
IanS said:
So if you put your complete faith and trust in Christ, shouldn’t you put your complete faith and trust in every word from the mouth of God and follow ALL of His commands? Like the fact that Jesus established ONE Church that was to be totally consistent in doctrine, even if every one of her teachings may not meet everyone’s personal likings.

This was something I had to face up to myself at one point and it was a humbling and difficult experience, but it ended up leading me closer to what God has always really wanted for me.

However, facts are facts and the Bible tells us explicitly that Jesus Christ established ONE authoritative infallible Church. When you have 30,000 different churches teaching 30,000 different doctrines that contradict one another, 29,999 are going to be wrong on in at least one teaching.
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Yes. God created one church, His body, of which He is the head…
 
Pryority7 said:
Well, of course God says it so but your church honestly and with due respect, does not have the authority of Apostolic succesion. Without that, your sacrament is not valid as being the actual body and blood of Christ, no matter what your pastor says.
The Catholic Church has the authority of apostolic sucession.

P7
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So, are you calling God a liar? God says this is my body and this is my blood. He never said that it applies only to the apostles or the Catholic Church.
 
jmcrae said:
What it says in John 21:15-19 is that Jesus appointed Peter to be the chief shepherd of His church. Let’s call this one “Church A.”

What we know from history is that Peter was the first Pope (chief shepherd) of the Catholic Church. Let’s call this one “Church B.”

Church A’s first chief shepherd was the Apostle Peter.

Church B’s first chief shepherd was the Apostle Peter.

Therefore, Church A and Church B are the same Church.
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Other churches look up to the Pope as well. Not just the Catholic Church. What about those other churches.
 
awantz said:
Other churches look up to the Pope as well. Not just the Catholic Church. What about those other churches.
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The Pope is only the chief shepherd of the Catholic Church; not of any other. Those other churches have their own founders and leaders.

It’s good that non-Catholics have respect for the Pope, but if they aren’t members of the Catholic Church, then they are not fully joined to the flock that St. Peter was asked to guard - “My sheep” and “My lambs” - the Church of Jesus Christ. (See John 21:15-19)

There is (or can be) an imperfect connection through Baptism and through implicit desire to be members of Christ’s Church, but someone who really wants to be fully a member of Christ’s Church needs to become a Catholic.
 
awantz said:
So, are you calling God a liar? God says this is my body and this is my blood. He never said that it applies only to the apostles or the Catholic Church.
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The people to whom He said, “This do in remembrance of me” were the Apostles. The Apostles were the first leaders of the Catholic Church, and they passed on the authority to “do this” (that is, to perform the miracle of Transubstantiation) by the laying on of hands in the Sacrament of Holy Orders in the Catholic Church.
 
I would like to thank Awantz for her continued participation in this forum.

There are aspects to “non-denominational Christians” that I never envisioned and would never have imagined before reading this thread.

We may end up disagreeing on some (many?) issues, but you have my thanks nonetheless 👍
 
jack_hawkins said:
Thinking about things and listening to what Catholics have to say here, I have come to the conclusion that the only Christianity that makes any sense to me is non-denominational Christianity. Are there many non-denominational Christians here?
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My opinion: There is no such thing. Any creed or practice that separates u from others is a denominational factor…And if you believe exactly as, say, the Baptists, u would not call yourself non-denom but Baptist…
If you studied the Catholic faith (took RCIA at an orthodox Church), u would come to see that Catholicism is the most biblical… and makes the most sense…
Anyway, i’m running out of time. God bless…
 
jmcrae said:
There is (or can be) an imperfect connection through Baptism and through implicit desire to be members of Christ’s Church, but someone who really wants to be fully a member of Christ’s Church needs to become a Catholic.
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You do not have to be Catholic to be a part of Christ’s Church. Christ’s Church is His body of which He is the head, not the Pope or any other man.
 
jmcrae said:
The people to whom He said, “This do in remembrance of me” were the Apostles. The Apostles were the first leaders of the Catholic Church, and they passed on the authority to “do this” (that is, to perform the miracle of Transubstantiation) by the laying on of hands in the Sacrament of Holy Orders in the Catholic Church.
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Again, He never said that it applies only to the apostles or the Catholic Church.
 
ricmat said:
I would like to thank Awantz for her continued participation in this forum.

There are aspects to “non-denominational Christians” that I never envisioned and would never have imagined before reading this thread.

We may end up disagreeing on some (many?) issues, but you have my thanks nonetheless 👍
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You are welcome.
If you are a Catholic like my husband. I dought we disagree on very many issues, because I know my husband and I don’t.
 
awantz said:
Again, He never said that it applies only to the apostles or the Catholic Church.
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He gave it only to the Apostles. Nobody else.

The Apostles only gave it to their successors in the Catholic Church (both East and West). Nobody else.

When the Protestants separated from the Catholic Church in the early to mid 1500s, they did not take with them the authority to ordain anyone to the priesthood, because they had never received that authority from anyone, either while they were still Catholic, or later on.
 
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