North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

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Crossbones said:
I was responded to a post that said that service can be refused for any event that a baker may feel uncomfortable with, so I think it’s a question if race would be included in that. What do you think? Would it be ok for a baker to refuse service to a black couple because his religious beliefs call for segregation?
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NO.
 
meltzerboy said:
What might be the societal implications of refusing to bake a wedding cake for an interracial couple, or a Muslim (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) wedding? That is, how far might this be taken, and how can it be supported by one’s RELIGIOUS belief rather than one’s own (prejudiced) personal belief? Do you prefer to make it an economic issue and let the free market decide?
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We should not force a businessmen to provide a service for an event he objects to. He is costing himself money and perhaps people will boycott him because of his views-also perfectly acceptable
 
estesbob said:
We should not force a businessmen to provide a service for an event he objects to. He is costing himself money and perhaps people will boycott him because of his views-also perfectly acceptable
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So, we’re cool with restaurants not allowing blacks at the counter if the businessman objects.
 
Crossbones said:
I see.

So, there are limits to what sincerely held religious beliefs that should be allowed exemptions.
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Of course.
A religious belief that proposes violence, harms public safety,detracts from human dignity etc…should not be honored.

All of this must be based in truth.
So for example a 1930’s European looks at a Jewish person and makes the claim “I do not believe you are fully human”, is a liar, and all the logical consequences stemming from that lie like “you therefore should not be afforded the right to live”…
These claims are an offense against basic truths about human beings.
 
foxnews.com/us/2016/04/25/online-backlash-grows-against-target-bathroom-policy.html
Online backlash grows against Target bathroom policy
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Target is facing an increasing backlash over its policy allowing customers and employees to use whichever bathroom they choose, regardless of the gender listed on their birth certificates.
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A pledge to boycott its stores, launched Wednesday by the American Family Association, has received more than 545,000 signatures.
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“This means a man can simply say he ‘feels like a woman today’ and enter the women’s restroom… even if young girls or women are already in there,” a supporting statement on the website says. “Target’s policy is exactly how sexual predators get access to their victims.”
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The AFA then highlights several news articles featuring alleged sexual predators dressing as women to enter female facilities.
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But Target spokesperson Molly Snyder told USA Today the company is standing by its policy and “we continue to believe that this is the right thing for Target.” She noted that many stores feature single-stall, family bathrooms in addition to larger facilities.
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As an aside…

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clem456 said:
Of course.
A religious belief that proposes violence, harms public safety,detracts from human dignity etc…should not be honored.

All of this must be based in truth.
So for example a 1930’s European looks at a Jewish person and makes the claim “I do not believe you are fully human”, is a liar, and all the logical consequences stemming from that lie like “you therefore should not be afforded the right to live”…
These claims are an offense against basic truths about human beings.
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What does detract from human dignity mean to you?
 
Thorolfr said:
Does being a gay or transgender person detract from their human dignity so that denying them services is OK?
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No, I think that is only Christians, women and children. And people who live in North Carolina.
 
TMC said:
And Target stock went up today. Other companies boycotted by AFA include Microsoft, Pepsi, Time Warner, Disney… In other words, these boycotts rarely have a real impact.
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As long as Wall Street is happy, we’re good.
 
TMC said:
Doesn’t make me happy, but it makes the owners of Target happy, I’m sure.
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I don’t know what each persons thoughts are who are boycotting Target, but surely it is about making a stand, not just about whether it makes an economic impact or not.
 
_Abyssinia said:
I don’t know what each persons thoughts are who are boycotting Target, but surely it is about making a stand, not just about whether it makes an economic impact or not.
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If people are choosing not to shop at Target because they disagree with Target’s policy, that is their right and they are certainly welcome to do so. Boycott, to me, suggests an attempt to either harm a company or change a company’s behavior. Certainly AFA says that changing Target’s policy is their goal. My point is that rarely happens (and AFA has a particular poor record in that regard).
 
Crossbones said:
What does detract from human dignity mean to you?
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As a starting point, loss of true freedom, which happens when deception reigns.
1740 Threats to freedom. The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, “the subject of this freedom,” is "an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods."33 Moreover, the economic, social, political, and cultural conditions that are needed for a just exercise of freedom are too often disregarded or violated. Such situations of blindness and injustice injure the moral life and involve the strong as well as the weak in the temptation to sin against charity. By deviating from the moral law man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth.
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Crossbones said:
So, we’re cool with restaurants not allowing blacks at the counter if the businessman objects.
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If a private citizen wants to open a restaurant that only caters to people of a certain race, why shouldn’t he be allowed to? If it offends you, you don’t have to patronize him.
 
ucfengr said:
If a private citizen wants to open a restaurant that only caters to people of a certain race, why shouldn’t he be allowed to? If it offends you, you don’t have to patronize him.
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I see. Don’t you think this causes institutionalized marginalization of certain segments of the society?
 
ucfengr said:
If a private citizen wants to open a restaurant that only caters to people of a certain race, why shouldn’t he be allowed to? If it offends you, you don’t have to patronize him.
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And what if a whole bunch of private citizens decide to do the same and cater only to one and the same race? Is that all right with regard to people of other races who live in the same neighborhood, community, city, state, or country? This is not a hypothetical, of course.
 
meltzerboy said:
And what if a whole bunch of private citizens decide to do the same and cater only to one and the same race? Is that all right with regard to people of other races who live in the same neighborhood, community, city, state, or country? This is not a hypothetical, of course.
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What if they do? Are people of different races incapable of opening their own places and catering to whom ever they choose? Do you think only white people are capable of running businesses? Soft bigotry of low expectations for one…
 
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