North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

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JonNC said:
I know the origin of the term, but I was talking about how its usage is being abused to push an agenda of oppression by the progressive movement
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How is it being used in a sense beyond the legal usage? What additional connotations does “protected class” have that it didn’t have in the late 1960s?
 
JonNC said:
States need to get themselves in a position where they can forego federal money, and therefore federal extortion tactics such as this, if they want to regain control of the schools and state sovereignty

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Bingo.

And several states need to band together in resisting such extortion as well. It’s one thing for them to threaten a single state. But if 5-10 states get together to resist, the feds will have a harder time with the extortion.
 
It only took them 12 hours to create the law. Maybe they should have taken a minute to read Title IX and Title VII before passing it. It is not like it was information being withheld from them.
 
rae317 said:
It only took them 12 hours to create the law. Maybe they should have taken a minute to read Title IX and Title VII before passing it. It is not like it was information being withheld from them.
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I suggest you look a few messages up and read the essay linked to by JimG.
 
After 7 years of Obama and we don’t know what sign to hang on the girls bathroom. Or who gets to use it. Sad.
 
stevegravy said:
After 7 years of Obama and we don’t know what sign to hang on the girls bathroom. Or who gets to use it. Sad.
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Apparently, having or enforcing bathrooms limited to a single sex is deemed to be discriminatory.

I say ‘deemed to be’ because I don’t think that single sex bathrooms are discriminatory under the laws legislated by Congress. But while the founders were big on separation of powers, separating the legislative from the executive from the judicial, in practice, the executive branch through its regulatory agencies do effect legislation, calling it regulation. In fact it is more like legislation by decree.
 
“The so-called bathroom wars have nothing to do with bathrooms but are all about war. The push to allow a person to use the bathroom of his or her choice is merely the latest phase of the sexual revolution. It is part of a relentless war to bring about an irrational equality that now seeks to break down the final public barriers that make the sexes different.”
. . . “Yes, the so-called bathroom war is not about bathrooms and all about war. It is a new phase of the Culture War. Those who thought the war was over with their surrender to same-sex “marriage” will come to see that it is only the beginning.”

What the bathroom wars are really all about.

Just the latest chapter in “fundamentally changing America.”
 
The DOJ has filed federal civil rights lawsuits against the state, governor, Department of Public Safety, and University of North Carolina. 👍
 
lmachine said:
The DOJ has filed federal civil rights lawsuits against the state, governor, Department of Public Safety, and University of North Carolina. 👍
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So the vast majority of the population should bow to the few who have this problem. Just an excuse to stir up trouble in my opinion.
 
_Abyssinia said:
And Gov. McCrory launched a lawsuit too.
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Yes, he “fired the first shot” as they say. He was trying to use the courts as a stalling tactic, despite the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals already having decided a recent case that sides with the government. Once it was clear he wasn’t going to budge the DOJ filed the lawsuits the state had been warned about.
 
Is transgender a distinct sex from male or female? Are male and female bathrooms prohibited? If so, then sex discrimination means that anyone can use any bathroom, locker room, public shower facility, nationwide.
 
JimG said:
Is transgender a distinct sex from male or female? Are male and female bathrooms prohibited? If so, then sex discrimination means that anyone can use any bathroom, locker room, public shower facility, nationwide.
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Transgender is not a sex or a gender. It is a descriptor for people whose assigned sex does not align with their gender.
 
lmachine said:
Transgender is not a sex or a gender. It is a descriptor for people whose assigned sex does not align with their gender.
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And yet everyone is biologically male or female. Under the DOJ rules, it would seem that persons with penises are allowed to use the women’s bathrooms. Just trying to get some clarity. If that is the case, then there must be three or four bathrooms, or unisex bathrooms. Which will DOJ decree?
 
JimG said:
And yet everyone is biologically male or female. Under the DOJ rules, it would seem that persons with penises are allowed to use the women’s bathrooms. Just trying to get some clarity. If that is the case, then there must be three or four bathrooms, or unisex bathrooms. Which will DOJ decree?
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There is a lot more to biology than chromosomes and genitalia. The DOJ has a good section in their lawsuits that helps explain it:
Department of Justice:
Gender Identity and Its Relationship to Sex
30. Individuals are typically assigned a sex on their birth certificate solely on the basis of the appearance of the external genitalia at birth. Additional aspects of sex (for example, chromosomal makeup) typically are not assessed and considered at the time of birth, except in cases of infants born with ambiguous genitalia.
31. An individual’s “sex” consists of multiple factors, which may not always be in alignment. Among those factors are hormones, external genitalia, internal reproductive organs, chromosomes, and gender identity, which is an individual’s internal sense of being male or female.
32. For individuals who have aspects of their sex that are not in alignment, the person’s gender identity is the primary factor in terms of establishing that person’s sex. External genitalia are, therefore, but one component of sex and not always determinative of a person’s sex.
33. Although there is not yet one definitive explanation for what determines gender identity, biological factors, most notably sexual differentiation in the brain, have a role in gender identity development.
34. Transgender individuals are individuals who have a gender identity that does not match the sex they were assigned at birth. A transgender man’s sex is male and a transgender woman’s sex is female.
35. A transgender individual may begin to assert a gender identity inconsistent with their sex assigned at birth at any time from early childhood through adulthood. The decision by transgender individuals to assert their gender identity publicly is a deeply personal one that is made by the individual, often in consultation with family, medical and health care providers, and others.
36. Gender identity is innate and external efforts to change a person’s gender identity can be harmful to a person’s health and well-being.
37. Gender identity and transgender status are inextricably linked to one’s sex and are sex-related characteristics.
38. Most states authorize changing the sex marker on one’s birth certificate, but the requirements for doing so vary and are often onerous. Specifically, many states require surgical procedures. At least one state does not allow persons to change the sex marker on their birth certificates.
39. Individuals born in North Carolina must have proof of certain surgeries, such as “sex reassignment surgery,” in order to change the sex marker on their birth certificates. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 130A-118(b)(4).
40. Surgery related to gender transitioning is generally unavailable to children under age 18.
41. In addition, the great majority of transgender individuals do not have surgery as part of their gender transition. Determinations about such surgery are decisions about medical care made by physicians and patients on an individual basis. For some, health-related conditions or other medical criteria counsel against invasive surgery. For others, the high cost of surgical procedures, which are often excluded from health insurance coverage, present an insurmountable barrier.
42. Standards of medical care for surgery related to gender transitioning generally advise that transgender individuals present consistent with their gender identity on a day-to-day basis across all settings of life, including in bathrooms and changing facilities at school and at work, for a significant time period prior to undergoing surgery.
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So if the biological sex “assigned” by nature at (and before) birth is to be entirely disregarded. Then sex no longer has any meaning in the usual sense of the word. If a man wishes to use the women’s facilities, we simply have to take his word for it. If he claims to identify as a woman that is solely his prerogative, and no one is to question it based on physical characteristics.

The DOJ along with many others seems to have lost its grip on reality.

From The Public Discourse:

“Let us be clear: there is no such thing as “sex-reassignment” surgery. A mutilated male pumped full of estrogen remains just that—a mutilated male pumped full of estrogen. He has not “transitioned” into being a woman. He can never be a woman. Nor are the hundreds of thousands of women who have undergone total hysterectomies for various reasons transformed into males. They remain women whose ovaries and wombs have been removed. They are not men.”
 
JimG said:
So if the biological sex “assigned” by nature at (and before) birth is to be entirely disregarded. Then sex no longer has any meaning in the usual sense of the word. If a man wishes to use the women’s facilities, we simply have to take his word for it. If he claims to identify as a woman that is solely his prerogative, and no one is to question it based on physical characteristics.
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We often have to take people’s words for a lot of things, but that doesn’t mean that these things aren’t real. For example, there are no medical tests for Autism or Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), or Bipolar Disorder, etc. But that doesn’t mean that these disorders don’t exist. Psychiatrists and psychologists kind of have to take a patient’s word for it when they describe their symptoms.
 
Thorolfr said:
We often have to take people’s words for a lot of things, but that doesn’t mean that these things aren’t real. For example, there are no medical tests for Autism or Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), or Bipolar Disorder, etc. But that doesn’t mean that these disorders don’t exist. Psychiatrists and psychologists kind of have to take a patient’s word for it when they describe their symptoms.
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And I would think, perhaps wrongly, that a psychologist would recommend cognitive therapy for a man who thinks he is a woman, certainly not “sex reassignment” surgery. And he might suggest that using the bathroom of the opposite sex might simply exacerbate the disorder.
 
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