North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

[irishpatrick]

You’ll have to ask the people of North Carolina that question. If they don’t mind losing millions of dollars from businesses and the Federal Government, that’s their decision. Without all those federal funds because of Title IX, the University of North Carolina might become a second rate university that talented professors would not want to work for.

Perhaps–that might happen. Yet, again, one has to wonder, is a principled stand worth taking for the loss of money?

 

[JimG]

What kind of bathrooms does the NBA want? Unmarked?

 

[estesbob]

I’m sure that the whole state suffers to some extent when businesses or sports events decide to boycott the state. Cities like Charlotte might suffer the most, but the state undoubtedly loses tax revenues which hurts everyone.

But not much. Such boycotts will have no impact whatsoever on 99.9% of the populace .I am sure legions of accountants will crank out mountains of numbers on how much money bigotry is costing NC Which will be greeted my most of the population with a large yawn

 

[Padres1969]

What kind of bathrooms does the NBA want? Unmarked?

This might work?

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[Midwest88]

catholic.com/blog/trent-horn/%E2%80%9Cbathroom-bill%E2%80%9D-is-not-hateful-bigotry

According to Erica Dawson on one of CAF’s front page articles concerning HB2:

Okay, listen…the bill is unjust. Period. Cisgender people think that transmen and women will commit heinous acts in bathrooms and get away with it when a) they have been using their preferred bathrooms for years without incident, b) there are literally zero cases of a transgender person doing something gross in a public bathroom/changing area/etc. (I guess besides peeing or pooping, which literally everyone does), and c) the people who commit the most sexual crimes in this country are straight men.

You have to realize that being female does not automatically mean having a vagina, and being male does not automatically mean having a penis. There are people born with deformed genitals, too, and sometimes, accidents happen. Are you saying that a man who lost is pats in a car crash now has to use the women’s room because he doesn’t have the “male parts”?

Most cisgender people think that they would easily spot a transgender person in the wrong bathroom, when that is almost never the case. A lot of you would also like to say that you can always tell who has what and whether they’re actually a man or a woman, when you can’t. Transgender people just want to pee. It is cisgender people that go to great lengths to spy and peep on each other in public places like this. You like to say that you want to protect from “indecency” in public restrooms, so you can justify this arbitrary and ridiculous law. You think you’re protecting little girls from predatory transgender people when REALLY, you are saying that instead of keeping predatory pedophilic cisgender men/women away from the wrong bathrooms, we are going to attack the group that has done nothing wrong and just wants to pee. You’re going to assume someone’s gender and put literally thousands of people into dangerous situations they could very easily be killed in because you just HAVE to know what’s in someone’s pants.

I hope the church and other catholics can move away from this.

Yep, that’s right, she actually used “cisgender” is a very serious manner.

 

[Ender]

According to Erica Dawson on one of CAF’s front page articles concerning HB2: “Cisgender people think that transmen and women will commit heinous acts in bathrooms and get away with it…”

The first step in defeating your opponent’s position is to distort it. There isn’t that great a concern that men who have surgically or chemically made themselves look like women will use women’s rest rooms. The real problem comes from men who consider themselves to be men also using women’s facilities and justifying it simply by claiming to be women. An unwillingness to address the actual problem is a good indication that your opponent has no good way of responding to it.

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[sallybutler]

I like what Bill Maher said. If you look like a woman, use the ladies room, if you look like a man, use the men’s room, if you have a beard and are wearing a dress, hold it till you get home.

 

[Listener]

So apparently it is okay to discriminate against people (from North Carolina) to show everyone that discrimination is wrong. Isn’t this a little like killing people to show that killing is wrong?

For goodness sake, what did the law say before they made this law, or was there even a law? Why did it become so important all of a sudden?

Personally, I can do without men hanging around the ladies’ room, and I’m not sure I want to let my granddaughter go to the ladies’ room by herself any more. I’m not worried so much about transgender people, but I am worried about weirdos who might dress up as women and go in there just for fun.

Actually, if a straight man who looked very much like a man went into the ladies’ room, he probably could just say he was feeling very feminine that day.

 

[meltzerboy]

So apparently it is okay to discriminate against people (from North Carolina) to show everyone that discrimination is wrong. Isn’t this a little like killing people to show that killing is wrong?

For goodness sake, what did the law say before they made this law, or was there even a law? Why did it become so important all of a sudden?

Personally, I can do without men hanging around the ladies’ room, and I’m not sure I want to let my granddaughter go to the ladies’ room by herself any more. I’m not worried so much about transgender people, but I am worried about weirdos who might dress up as women and go in there just for fun.

Actually, if a straight man who looked very much like a man went into the ladies’ room, he probably could just say he was feeling very feminine that day.

Wouldn’t “weirdos who would dress up as women and go in there just for fun” do so anyhow because they are weirdos? That is, there is always some risk, and among straight-looking gay men as well, the vast majority of whom are not looking for trouble.

More worrisome are the Jungians, who believe that all of us have both masculine (animus) and feminine (anima) sides to our personality.

 

[meltzerboy]

Ignorance.

It is a similar assumption which used to be and, for some, still is made that gay men are sexual predators. Old myths die hard, while transgenderism is a new phenomenon in our society, so it will take quite a while for society–including both straight and gay people–to get used to it. But eventually society will adapt despite the fear, anger, and ignorance.

 

[estesbob]

So apparently it is okay to discriminate against people (from North Carolina) to show everyone that discrimination is wrong. Isn’t this a little like killing people to show that killing is wrong?

For goodness sake, what did the law say before they made this law, or was there even a law? Why did it become so important all of a sudden?

Personally, I can do without men hanging around the ladies’ room, and I’m not sure I want to let my granddaughter go to the ladies’ room by herself any more. I’m not worried so much about transgender people, but I am worried about weirdos who might dress up as women and go in there just for fun.

Actually, if a straight man who looked very much like a man went into the ladies’ room, he probably could just say he was feeling very feminine that day.

It is a bit strange to see the Left suddenly supporting refusing to do business with somebody whose actions you find offensive You think they will now proppose this right be extended to photographers and bakers

 

[Sarcelle]

It is a bit strange to see the Left suddenly supporting refusing to do business with somebody whose actions you find offensive You think they will now proppose this right be extended to photographers and bakers

It’s the good old double standard reading its ugly head.

 

[estesbob]

It is a similar assumption which used to be and, for some, still is made that gay men are sexual predators. Old myths die hard, while transgenderism is a new phenomenon in our society, so it will take quite a while for society–including both straight and gay people–to get used to it. But eventually society will adapt despite the fear, anger, and ignorance.

I don’t think anybody is saying transgendered people are sexual predators. I think they are saying , rightfully so, making it legal for men to use women’s locker rooms and bathrooms gives sexual predators easier access

 

[grotto]

This hullabaloo is stupid - NC should ignore the legal encroachment caused by a surplus of lawyers.

The Federal Government is being :whacky: once again - can’t wait until we get rid of this Administration.

 

[meltzerboy]

This hullabaloo is stupid - NC should ignore the legal encroachment caused by a surplus of lawyers.

The Federal Government is being :whacky: once again - can’t wait until we get rid of this Administration.

Be careful what you wish for. Who knows what the NEXT administration will be like?

 

[Listener]

Wouldn’t “weirdos who would dress up as women and go in there just for fun” do so anyhow because they are weirdos? That is, there is always some risk, and among straight-looking gay men as well, the vast majority of whom are not looking for trouble.

More worrisome are the Jungians, who believe that all of us have both masculine (animus) and feminine (anima) sides to our personality.

If it is against the law, the “weirdo” might decide it is not worth the trouble he might get into. If it is perfectly legal, what would stop him?

 

[Thorolfr]

The reaction has been swift.

The singer Bryan Adams canceled his concert in Mississippi in protest against what he called an “anti-L.G.B.T.” law, and the actress Sharon Stone decided not to film a movie there. In North Carolina, Bruce Springsteen, Ringo Starr, Pearl Jam and Ani DiFranco have canceled shows in response to a law regulating transgender bathroom access.

While the celebrity response is drawing considerable attention, the travel industry in each state is more concerned about lower-profile visitors: the everyday tourists who have already begun canceling trips or planning vacations elsewhere.

Both states have been hit by hotel cancellations from tourists who spend a combined tens of billions of dollars annually, and though the effect is difficult to quantify so early on, local hotels, tourist boards, industry associations and government officials fear that a boycott will continue to dampen business. Making matters tougher for the businesses, the Foreign Office in Britain has issued an advisory for L.G.B.T. travelers going to the two states based on the laws.

nytimes.com/2016/04/22/travel/north-carolina-mississippi-lgbt-gay-rights-travel.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

I suspect that economic pressure is ultimately going to cause the anti-LGBT laws to be repealed.

 

[irishpatrick]

nytimes.com/2016/04/22/travel/north-carolina-mississippi-lgbt-gay-rights-travel.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

I suspect that economic pressure is ultimately going to cause the anti-LGBT laws to be repealed.

We never end-up anywhere good if we center our worries on money. We must make a choice for God, or for money.

 

[JimG]

Bathroom Bill is not hateful bigotry.

 

[SeannyM]

It is a bit strange to see the Left suddenly supporting refusing to do business with somebody whose actions you find offensive You think they will now proppose this right be extended to photographers and bakers

There is a big difference between a consumer choosing not to spend money at a location or a business choosing to set up shop in a different state and refusing to serve someone because of who they are.