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ASimon
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If they want to start a movement to get polygamous incest marriage legalized, they should feel free. Right alongside the widows who want to marry their cats, and the hemp-wearing hippie who wants to marry a tree.I guess three bothers can “marry” if they claim love.
Meanwhile, you’ll forgive me if I prefer to stay on topic - with the million of homosexual couples across America being told that their love is less legitimate than their straight counterparts.
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ignatius777
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Look OMOW marriage does not include anything related to the parties sexual preference or love for one another. As such it cannot be argued that OMOW marriage violates someoes “rights” based on sexual preference or who you love. A gay man by law can not be refused a license to marry a woman because he is gay. If you have an example of such a thing happening then yes the law is not being evenly applied. Until then there is no violation of “rights”. A gay person can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want just like a straight person.Correct - So if the gays would just stop falling in “love” with people of their own gender, they wouldn’t have their rights violated when the state tells them they aren’t allowed to marry them.
Really, it’s the gays’ fault. They should’ve considered the implications of being gay before they became gay.
Your play to emotionalism does nothing to make your case stronger. In fact its weakened
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ASimon
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You do, actually. Presuming you don’t love your wife (and even if you still do), you have the legal right to divorce and marry another woman that you love.Wrong. I don’t have the right to marry another woman that I love while I am married to my wife.
A gay man can’t get legally divorced from someone he loves. Because a gay man can’t legally MARRY someone he loves.
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ignatius777
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EXCELLENT post!!! and spot onWrong. I don’t have the right to marry another woman that I love while I am married to my wife. I don’t have the right to marry my daughter. I don’t have the right to marry another man’s wife. And, just like gay men, I don’t have the right to marry another man.
Exactly the same rights as a gay man.
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ignatius777
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The problem for yo uis fix IS on topic. If YOUR argument for gay “marriage” is you should be free to marry who you love then it is precisely that same reasoning which makes fix’s post valid. I know you prefer not to address those types of marriage but thats what your rationale opens up so its attached to YOUR position in this debate.If they want to start a movement to get polygamous incest marriage legalized, they should feel free. Right alongside the widows who want to marry their cats, and the hemp-wearing hippie who wants to marry a tree.
Meanwhile, you’ll forgive me if I prefer to stay on topic - with the million of homosexual couples across America being told that their love is less legitimate than their straight counterparts.
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Orogeny
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No, I don’t. It is against the law of every state to be married to two women at the same time. What about my right to marry someone I love? Why should I have to give up my current wife to marry another woman?You do, actually. Presuming you don’t love your wife (and even if you still do), you have the legal right to divorce and marry another woman that you love.
Why would he divorce someone he loves? A gay man could marry a woman just as easily as I can and, just like him, I can’t marry a man. WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS!!!A gay man can’t get legally divorced from someone he loves. Because a gay man can’t legally MARRY someone he loves.
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sw85
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Mark, my response was to the triumphalism of a leftist. I’m simply pointing out that it’s baseless.Grace & Peace!
It saddens me to see such rhetoric, particularly from people, like the second poster quoted above, whom I know to be thoughtful Christians.
Under the Mercy,
Mark
All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
As for me, I’m not putting my trust in anything except the order of being which God ordained for all creation, and in such a way that evil is *always *its own undoing.
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ASimon
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In principle, you’re correct, that marriage need have nothing to do with love. In practice, though, it has everything to do with it, and nobody would argue that society would be better off if we made decisions about whom to marry on bases that were completely divorced from questions of love.Look OMOW marriage does not include anything related to the parties sexual preference or love for one another. As such it cannot be argued that OMOW marriage violates someoes “rights” based on sexual preference or who you love. A gay man by law can not be refused a license to marry a woman because he is gay. If you have an example of such a thing happening then yes the law is not being evenly applied. Until then there is no violation of “rights”. A gay person can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want just like a straight person.
Your play to emotionalism does nothing to make your case stronger. In fact its weakened
Your side rattles on endlessly about the damage that would be done to “families” if gays were allowed to marry. Which is incredibly insulting, presumptuous, and demonstrably false, but leave that aside for a second. Ask yourself - how well would the family unit be served if people were marrying each other for reasons having nothing to do with love?
The fact is, love is an integral part of the decision to marry in 21st century America. The withered old chestnut that “Gays can marry anyone of the opposite sex, just like straight people” is a bad punchline to a stupid joke.
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rossum
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So, no post menopausal women can ever get married? Infertile men and women must forever remain single, and all existing marriages are automatically annulled when either partner becomes infertile.The difference is the sex of the person you “marry” is relevant to the purpose of marriage, whereas that race isn’t.
Better try again…
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ignatius777
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Correct. The law is applied equally to everyone. Straight people are not allowed something through the law that is denied to gays through the law.No, I don’t. It is against the law of every state to be married to two women at the same time. What about my right to marry someone I love? Why should I have to give up my current wife to marry another woman?Why would he divorce someone he loves? A gay man could marry a woman just as easily as I can and, just like him, I can’t marry a man. WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS!!!
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sw85
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I’m always amazed that you folks recycle the same trite arguments we refute here literally every time, as if you’ve never heard them before.So, no post menopausal women can ever get married? Infertile men and women must forever remain single, and all existing marriages are automatically annulled when either partner becomes infertile.
Better try again…
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fix
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Once you arbitrarily redefine marriage anything goes. Pardon me if I have concern that goes beyond fulfilling the desires of some misdirected persons.If they want to start a movement to get polygamous incest marriage legalized, they should feel free. Right alongside the widows who want to marry their cats, and the hemp-wearing hippie who wants to marry a tree.
Meanwhile, you’ll forgive me if I prefer to stay on topic - with the million of homosexual couples across America being told that their love is less legitimate than their straight counterparts.
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rossum
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You have the right to pursue happiness by marrying the person you love. A gay man does not have that right in much of America. The right to pursue happiness is written into the constitution.How does that in any way even address my post? What rights do I have that a gay man doesn’t?
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ASimon
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No, they don’t. You can marry someone you love, and a gay person cannot. If you want to marry someone you love, you can. If you decide you love someone else, you can divorce that first person, and marry the second. A gay person is denied the right to marry anyone they love in the first place.No, I don’t. It is against the law of every state to be married to two women at the same time. What about my right to marry someone I love? Why should I have to give up my current wife to marry another woman?
Why would he divorce someone he loves? A gay man could marry a woman just as easily as I can and, just like him, I can’t marry a man. WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS!!!
Your pretense of fairness is absurd. But maybe more capital letters and feigned ignorance will help.
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fix
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Not true. If a man loves his son he cannot marry him, yet.No, they don’t. You can marry someone you love, and a gay person cannot. If you want to marry someone you love, you can. If you decide you love someone else, you can divorce that first person, and marry the second. A gay person is denied the right to marry anyone they love in the first place.
Your pretense of fairness is absurd. But maybe more capital letters and feigned ignorance will help.
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John_of_Patmos
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Yes!
The Church shall always be victorious!
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rossum
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False. Gays are denied the right to pursue happiness by marrying the person they love. Heterosexuals are not.Correct. The law is applied equally to everyone. Straight people are not allowed something through the law that is denied to gays through the law.
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rossum
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So, you agree that children are not the fundamental point of marriage. What is your reason for denying gays the possibility of a civil marriage?I’m always amazed that you folks recycle the same trite arguments we refute here literally every time, as if you’ve never heard them before.
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Bookcat
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So are those who say they love little children…False. Gays are denied the right to pursue happiness by marrying the person they love.
rossum
And rightly so.
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