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That is just what you think or feel…
Who are you to say who a person can “love” and marry…??
Such is the nature of relativism.
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Who are you to say who a person can “love” and marry…??
Such is the nature of relativism.
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You cited St. Paul in order to berate posters on this threat that are happy with the way the vote in North Carolina came out. I say that you don’t understand how to use scripture if you have not researched what the Church’s position is on this topic. I assure you that the Church understands that snippet of scripture.Tim, There is a right and wrong way to live our faith. In this case I do not put faith in the courts for conversion.
I don’t know what courts you are talking about. Is there right and wrong, not just in the way we live our faith?
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rossum
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I am not Catholic so Natural Theology is wasted on me. Marriage as we have it now is not exclusively about having children. You need to find a different argument.Again: I’m always amazed that you folks recycle the same trite arguments we refute here literally every time, as if you’ve never heard them before.
I’m not going to drop everything I’m doing so I can familiarize you with 2500 years of natural theology you can’t be bothered to learn yourself. Read a book. Edward Feser’s *Aquinas *is a good place to start.
Specifically on civil marriage, then you will have difficulty inserting Catholic theology into the definition, since civil marriage already differs from Catholic theology by allowing divorce and remarriage.
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Because incest is currently illegal, so that law would need to be changed first. Homosexual relations between non-related adults are not illegal.Doesnt matter. Current law says one wife. if incsetous marriage makes someone happy andthey love that person then why not allow it?
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rossum
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Marry the non-related single adult consenting person you love.No I don’t. If I love another man, I can’t marry him. I can’t marry another man’s wife. I can’t marry my mother.
What can I do that a gay man can’t?
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rossum
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Love cannot be decided by law. Civil marriage can.That is just what you think or feel…
Who are you to say who a person can “love” and marry…??
Such is the nature of relativism.
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Orogeny
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Why non-related? Why single? Why love?Marry the non-related single adult consenting person you love.
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Tim
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Orogeny
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Correct. And that is EXACTLY what the state of North Carolina just did.Love cannot be decided by law. Civil marriage can.
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Bookcat
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The state call a dog a cat and a hamster a bird.Love cannot be decided by law. Civil marriage can.
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But there is an objective reality that either is or is not.
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Orogeny
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So legalizing same-sex marriage is only one step away and incest is two steps away. Only a matter of degree.Because incest is currently illegal, so that law would need to be changed first. Homosexual relations between non-related adults are not illegal.
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Who are YOU or the State to tell me who I can Marry or not!Marry the non-related single adult consenting person you love.
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Why not marry a child or your Mother?
(see you see here that yes there are some who simply can not and ought not marry…)
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Yes I am sensitive and I thank God for that.Right. A bit sensitive, are we? Oh, well, since you refused to answer I will take it that the answer is no.So?How does the Church interpret that citation in light of the topic we are discussing? Hmm?
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Orogeny
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Then perhaps you shouldn’t be so judgemental of those you are accusing of being judgemental.Yes I am sensitive and I thank God for that.
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rossum
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If you want to marry your mother, then you are free to start a political campaign to get the law changed to allow you to do so.Who are YOU or the State to tell me who I can Marry or not!
Why not marry a child or your Mother?
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And no doubt, that law will be tested against the US Constitution, just as the Proposition 8 vote in California is being tested.Correct. And that is EXACTLY what the state of North Carolina just did.
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You have one example against all those who had only one wife.How many wives did Solomon have? How many concubines. Shall we repeal all the various redefinitions of marriage since Solomon?
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I see, so an open mind is one that endorses disordered acts.If you think you’re scoring any points in this debate by equating homosexuality and incest (and possibly child rape), then please keep doing so. All you’re doing is marginalizing your position and making it clear to anyone with anything resembling an open mind that your argument has gone off the rails.
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The same common sense that suddenly declares two man are capable of a marriage?Sure it is. The slippery slope argument just isn’t a practical concern. For at least two reasons. For one thing, where are the legions of people picketing for their rights to marry their family members or children, or pets? They don’t exist. There’s virtually no intra-societal pressure to redefine marriage in any of those ways.
But suppose we did see these legions materialize, what then? Well, the same tests would apply then as do now? Are we better off as a nation if mothers could marry sons, or fathers to cats? I think we could apply some very common sense standards to conclude that we would not be better off.
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Bookcat
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Something being a civil law does not mean it is either good…nor a possible reality.If you want to marry your mother, then you are free to start a political campaign to get the law changed to allow you to do so.
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It was until recently. That changed, so can any other law.Because incest is currently illegal, so that law would need to be changed first. Homosexual relations between non-related adults are not illegal.
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