North dakota oil boom town causing problems

[mikekle]

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I read thru this article and could not really believe this educated cop was saying things like he did…I mean, its obviously an ‘oil boom town’, they even call it that, I may be wrong, but I believe most people know boom towns like this dont last too long, similar to the old gold rush towns, lots of crime, strange new people, some with criminal ambitions, but within a short time, all the ‘towns’ were gone, all the people had left, same will happen here, that should be common knowledge imo.

Its not like all of this will be around 10 yrs or even 20 yrs down the road, kind of strange they are trying to spend millions of dollars on infrastructure when the whole thing is only temporary, and all those people and criminals will be on to the next ‘big thing’ in another boom town. LOL

Plus, the head cop should kind of know these kind of things are fairly common for boom towns, like prostitution, drugs, etc. goes with the territory, they wont be able to even put a dent in any of it in my opinion, I doubt the oil companies even want them too, after all, they want HAPPY employees WORKING, not employees sitting in jail because of some goofy drug arrest stemming from workers partying after work, if meth makes some of these people work harder and longer, it may be tough to hear, but Im betting the oil companies are willing to look the other way and think of the profits.

Also if a major drug cartel has set up shop here, they have more funds and firepower than any county or state police force, and I doubt they want to bring on the wrath of that particular cartel, they are absolutely ruthless, they will kill anyone that gets in their way, I think its best to just let it run itself out and then it will move on to the next place.It may be tough for a few months, years, but have to consider the safety of the original townspeople too, thats what should be the priority for this sheriff.

 

[SuperLuigi]

These kinds of things are newsworthy to the public, but I wish the mainstream media was as concerned about all the violence in Chicago. As it is, they seem to be giving the oil boom in North Dakota a bad name to support their agenda which is quite liberal.

 

[Kount_C]

msn.com/en-us/news/crime/not-mayberry-anymore-oil-patch-cops-scramble-to-keep-up/ar-AA8xWTa

I read thru this article and could not really believe this educated cop was saying things like he did…I mean, its obviously an ‘oil boom town’, they even call it that, I may be wrong, but I believe most people know boom towns like this dont last too long, similar to the old gold rush towns, lots of crime, strange new people, some with criminal ambitions, but within a short time, all the ‘towns’ were gone, all the people had left, same will happen here, that should be common knowledge imo.

Its not like all of this will be around 10 yrs or even 20 yrs down the road, kind of strange they are trying to spend millions of dollars on infrastructure when the whole thing is only temporary, and all those people and criminals will be on to the next ‘big thing’ in another boom town. LOL

Plus, the head cop should kind of know these kind of things are fairly common for boom towns, like prostitution, drugs, etc. goes with the territory, they wont be able to even put a dent in any of it in my opinion, I doubt the oil companies even want them too, after all, they want HAPPY employees WORKING, not employees sitting in jail because of some goofy drug arrest stemming from workers partying after work, if meth makes some of these people work harder and longer, it may be tough to hear, but Im betting the oil companies are willing to look the other way and think of the profits.

Also if a major drug cartel has set up shop here, they have more funds and firepower than any county or state police force, and I doubt they want to bring on the wrath of that particular cartel, they are absolutely ruthless, they will kill anyone that gets in their way, I think its best to just let it run itself out and then it will move on to the next place.It may be tough for a few months, years, but have to consider the safety of the original townspeople too, thats what should be the priority for this sheriff.

I Worked for a power company for 10 years. I do not know if I'm allowed to say the name of it on the forum here. But in those 10 years, of oil and energy, I can tell you all of this is to be expected.

There was a secret meth lab in the basement of the power plant, the insulators and scaffold builders, built so that they could work 18-20 hour shifts, 7 days a week, in the early 2000’s

Inside my bosses’ office there was a picture of his wife’s box framed on the wall. Where they would smoke pounds of weed, that they kept in their cars and at the plant for use

  Company parties where wife sharing events,with rabid female on female homosexual activity amongst wives of plant operators and managers went on. The boss for the company I worked for, would sit with the other lead guys and watch taboo pornography on company computers.

One of my boss’s favorite thing to do, was get other managers to party and video tape them in compromising positions with woman, or with their wives or other men.
Again, I have to censor some of this.

This was a fortune 500 company, it is where I learned about life, growing up in my 20’s.
I love telling the engineering professors about it at school, who have no real world experience, and talk like they know technical environments. This is why I am cold and rigid towards most people that work in the trades… ie… welders, electricians, mechanics, ect. Because as a former welder, myself, I know what goes on in these environments.

Nothing like the rest of your crew, passing out drunk at 2am Then replacing their morning cup of Joe with a couple of “Gator Backs”.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I Worked for a power company for 10 years. I do not know if I’m allowed to say the name of it on the forum here. But in those 10 years, of oil and energy, I can tell you all of this is to be expected.

There was a secret meth lab in the basement of the power plant, the insulators and scaffold builders, built so that they could work 18-20 hour shifts, 7 days a week, in the early 2000’s

Inside my bosses’ office there was a picture of his wife’s box framed on the wall. Where they would smoke pounds of weed, that they kept in their cars and at the plant for use

  Company parties where wife sharing events,with rabid female on female homosexual activity amongst wives of plant operators and managers went on. The boss for the company I worked for, would sit with the other lead guys and watch taboo pornography on company computers.

One of my boss’s favorite thing to do, was get other managers to party and video tape them in compromising positions with woman, or with their wives or other men.
Again, I have to censor some of this.

This was a fortune 500 company, it is where I learned about life, growing up in my 20’s.
I love telling the engineering professors about it at school, who have no real world experience, and talk like they know technical environments. This is why I am cold and rigid towards most people that work in the trades… ie… welders, electricians, mechanics, ect. Because as a former welder, myself, I know what goes on in these environments.

Nothing like the rest of your crew, passing out drunk at 2am Then replacing their morning cup of Joe with a couple of “Gator Backs”.

Well, I won’t argue that those who have no experience in the private sector and are more or less sheltered (certainly from the free market) in academia.

But be careful about painting people with too broad a brush. The engineers I know are pretty stand-up people from what I can tell.

The cold equation here is that this immoral behavior described is checked in the free market. If people are doing things that affect productivity, well, I think it will get reflected down the line somewhere.

 

[Kount_C]

Well, I won’t argue that those who have no experience in the private sector and are more or less sheltered (certainly from the free market) in academia.

But be careful about painting people with too broad a brush. The engineers I know are pretty stand-up people from what I can tell.

The cold equation here is that this immoral behavior described is checked in the free market. If people are doing things that affect productivity, well, I think it will get reflected down the line somewhere.

Are you doing Engineering work anywhere ? I’m almost done with my M.E. Degree, in controls, I also have a 3/4 of the way CS degree completed. I want to get into a new industry.
I want to get into a new professional environment.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

msn.com/en-us/news/crime/not-mayberry-anymore-oil-patch-cops-scramble-to-keep-up/ar-AA8xWTa

I read thru this article and could not really believe this educated cop was saying things like he did…I mean, its obviously an ‘oil boom town’, they even call it that, I may be wrong, but I believe most people know boom towns like this dont last too long, similar to the old gold rush towns, lots of crime, strange new people, some with criminal ambitions, but within a short time, all the ‘towns’ were gone, all the people had left, same will happen here, that should be common knowledge imo.

Its not like all of this will be around 10 yrs or even 20 yrs down the road, kind of strange they are trying to spend millions of dollars on infrastructure when the whole thing is only temporary, and all those people and criminals will be on to the next ‘big thing’ in another boom town. LOL

Plus, the head cop should kind of know these kind of things are fairly common for boom towns, like prostitution, drugs, etc. goes with the territory, they wont be able to even put a dent in any of it in my opinion, I doubt the oil companies even want them too, after all, they want HAPPY employees WORKING, not employees sitting in jail because of some goofy drug arrest stemming from workers partying after work, if meth makes some of these people work harder and longer, it may be tough to hear, but Im betting the oil companies are willing to look the other way and think of the profits.

Also if a major drug cartel has set up shop here, they have more funds and firepower than any county or state police force, and I doubt they want to bring on the wrath of that particular cartel, they are absolutely ruthless, they will kill anyone that gets in their way, I think its best to just let it run itself out and then it will move on to the next place.It may be tough for a few months, years, but have to consider the safety of the original townspeople too, thats what should be the priority for this sheriff.

I disagree strongly. You never let major crimes run rampant, nor do you allow drug cartels to run the town. The minor drug offenses and prostitution can be ignored but they have to fight the major stuff.

Linus2nd

 

[GEddie]

The boom is coming back; the current cheap fuel is nothing but a bubble.

ICXC NIKA

 

[oldcatholicguy]

I Worked for a power company for 10 years. I do not know if I’m allowed to say the name of it on the forum here. But in those 10 years, of oil and energy, I can tell you all of this is to be expected.

There was a secret meth lab in the basement of the power plant, the insulators and scaffold builders, built so that they could work 18-20 hour shifts, 7 days a week, in the early 2000’s

Inside my bosses’ office there was a picture of his wife’s box framed on the wall. Where they would smoke pounds of weed, that they kept in their cars and at the plant for use

  Company parties where wife sharing events,with rabid female on female homosexual activity amongst wives of plant operators and managers went on. The boss for the company I worked for, would sit with the other lead guys and watch taboo pornography on company computers.

One of my boss’s favorite thing to do, was get other managers to party and video tape them in compromising positions with woman, or with their wives or other men.
Again, I have to censor some of this.

This was a fortune 500 company, it is where I learned about life, growing up in my 20’s.
I love telling the engineering professors about it at school, who have no real world experience, and talk like they know technical environments. This is why I am cold and rigid towards most people that work in the trades… ie… welders, electricians, mechanics, ect. Because as a former welder, myself, I know what goes on in these environments.

Nothing like the rest of your crew, passing out drunk at 2am Then replacing their morning cup of Joe with a couple of “Gator Backs”.

I don’t have any first hand experience, but what you describe sounds pretty similar (the drug culture portion) to what my brother (professional welder & ironworker) has described to me about his time working on a power plant.

 

[MugenOne]

Sounds like the Kitty Hawk when she pulled into Thailand with 6,600 sailors with a checking account full of cash.

 

[Kount_C]

I don’t have any first hand experience, but what you describe sounds pretty similar (the drug culture portion) to what my brother (professional welder & ironworker) has described to me about his time working on a power plant.

It is exactly why I hate welding. Its not so much the work, its the attitudes.

I call it the “Tape Measure Tough Guy Syndrome”. My close friend and fellow Catholic
is in the university with me, for engineering he is in his late 40’s. We always want to make jokes to the recruiters about where we can put up a meth lab, inside the office space if we work for their company.

I want so badly to tell my advisers in engineering. I want my senior project to be a
Green Meth Lab, that uses solar energy to boil the gasoline or brake fluid. I honestly have no idea how they make that stuff.

The younger guys, all give me junk supplementing my tech electives (21 hrs) with computer science classes. Little do they know, what they are getting into, if they are going into industrial construction, or machine service. LOL

 

[M-Dent]

Having had some experience in my youthful days with shipyards – the drug/alcohol/tough-guy element is quite the testimony on the fallen state of humanity. And it’s lost on a part of society that prefers not to look. Yet, I know a fair number of tradesmen (i.e., electricians, plumbers, welders) who run private businesses or work in civil positions who are notable family men and stand-up individuals.

 

[Kount_C]

Having had some experience in my youthful days with shipyards – the drug/alcohol/tough-guy element is quite the testimony on the fallen state of humanity. And it’s lost on a part of society that prefers not to look. Yet, I know a fair number of tradesmen (i.e., electricians, plumbers, welders) who run private businesses or work in civil positions who are notable family men and stand-up individuals.

Forgive me, as I do not disagree with that , and mean to pain an entire canvas. Where I am in the south, it is sad that most of the tradesmen, get short changed, in civil positions, if they choose not to work in the rough neck environments. Honestly the thought of going to ship yards makes me a bit sick. I know the welders come out of ships, aging 5 times faster then the normal man.

 

[Kount_C]

Sounds like the Kitty Hawk when she pulled into Thailand with 6,600 sailors with a checking account full of cash.

I'm Wishing there was a thumbs up button on your post.

 

[M-Dent]

Forgive me, as I do not disagree with that , and mean to pain an entire canvas. Where I am in the south, it is sad that most of the tradesmen, get short changed, in civil positions, if they choose not to work in the rough neck environments. Honestly the thought of going to ship yards makes me a bit sick. I know the welders come out of ships, aging 5 times faster then the normal man.

Yeah. It can be a brutal environment.

The only other place I’ve seen long hours of hard work (and hard play) take years off a life was back in the day (60s and 70s) with some family who had a ground fishing business (Gloucester Ma area). That was before Gortons drove them and many other locals out of business.

Sounds like you have a solid plan with the engineering degree. Best wishes on your future success.

 

[Kount_C]

Yeah. It can be a brutal environment.

The only other place I’ve seen long hours of hard work (and hard play) take years off a life was back in the day (60s and 70s) with some family who had a ground fishing business (Gloucester Ma area). That was before Gortons drove them and many other locals out of business.

Sounds like you have a solid plan with the engineering degree. Best wishes on your future success.

I’m hoping its a solid plan. I get buyers remorse every semester weather I’m taking electives or core classes.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

I disagree strongly. You never let major crimes run rampant, nor do you allow drug cartels to run the town. The minor drug offenses and prostitution can be ignored but they have to fight the major stuff.

Linus2nd

In case you don’t realize this the prostitution doesn’t involve loose women trying to make a buck. What is happening there is human trafficking. North Dakota has some of the worst policies and laws regarding human trafficking; although they are improving the women and girls are treated like criminals instead of victims.

 

[mikekle]

I disagree strongly. You never let major crimes run rampant, nor do you allow drug cartels to run the town. The minor drug offenses and prostitution can be ignored but they have to fight the major stuff.

Linus2nd

Well, thats the problem, in this particular town, the sheriff IS aggressively going after ALL drug and prostitution offenders, even the minor ones! Thats crazy in my opinion and probably a HUGE waste of taxpayer money…I think a majority of the population probably recognizes these kinds of things go on in boom towns, especially ones involving ‘rough neck’ kind of trades/ industries, kind of foolish to think otherwise, or that it can be reduced or stopped. LOL

Also, if this town gets what they want, they will spend millions building a new prison, well, after this boom town is long abandoned, all the people have moved on, and the town is back to its low population levels, they still have this massive prison…?? They need to recognize the temporary nature of boom towns imo, strange that no one seems to realize this.

I know quite a few people that work in ‘rough neck’ trades around here, and many DO use certain drugs in order to be more productive, meth or other stimulants mostly, and this is something the companies probably do not like, but id imagine they look the other way if it means majority of their employees are over-performing on a daily basis, this is just common sense after all, the companies, like this oil company are there to make money, as much as possible, of course they want happy and productive workers, they know they must look the other way many times to achieve this though, Id say as long as the companies and employees themselves are OK with it, no reason for police to sticking their noses in, where its not wanted.