North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium

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👍 Well it is good news and a start in the right direction. Don’t forget, both China and Russia have a stake in this as well, since they are of course neighbors. In some ways I am not as worried about them as i am what is going on in the middle east with the Isrealis and iran beating war drums and posturing.If World War three starts,it will start in the middle east.
 
HollyDolly said:
👍 Well it is good news and a start in the right direction. Don’t forget, both China and Russia have a stake in this as well, since they are of course neighbors. In some ways I am not as worried about them as i am what is going on in the middle east with the Isrealis and iran beating war drums and posturing.If World War three starts,it will start in the middle east.
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I’ve got Marty Feldman eyes (thats a Kim Carnes song, iirc), when it comes to foreign threats. The eye looking straight ahead is focused on the ME, but the other one is in the direction of China/NK/Russia.
 
The US State Department said Pyongyang had also agreed to allow UN inspectors to monitor its reactor in Yongbyon to verify compliance with the measures.
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In return, the US is finalising 240,000 tonnes of food aid for the North.
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We’ve gone through this exercise many times before with different despotic regimes, and it always plays out the same: we lose.
 
sedonaman said:
We’ve gone through this exercise many times before with different despotic regimes, and it always plays out the same: we lose.
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A lot depends on Kim Jong-un. With any luck, we’ll see a shift in NK.

How do you think we should deal with NK?
 
rlg94086 said:
A lot depends on Kim Jong-un. With any luck, we’ll see a shift in NK.

How do you think we should deal with NK?
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Exactly as we are. I watched a documentary on Kim Jong Un recently, I didn’t realize he has a large influence by the West and still many friends from college in the West. Perhaps its a good sign. The question really is how much is he really in control. I’m not sure anyone knows for sure.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Exactly as we are. I watched a documentary on Kim Jong Un recently, I didn’t realize he has a large influence by the West and still many friends from college in the West. Perhaps its a good sign. The question really is how much is he really in control. I’m not sure anyone knows for sure.
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I agree. I don’t think there is a better alternative. Let’s pray that things change in NK for the better.
 
How do you think we should deal with NK?
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Let’s see. President Clinton agreed to give NK some nuclear technology in exchange for a promise that they wouldn’t use it to build weapons. The Clinton administration pledged all sorts of things, including massive donations of taxpayers’ money, in return for North Korea’s pledge to give up its weapons program. Almost from day one, the North Koreans secretly resumed their nuclear weapons development program, completely undetected by the “sensitive” Clinton administration, and they have been building weapons ever since. I vaguely recall that SK gave NK food aid also, and it got them nowhere. Now, Hillary Clinton is deluding herself with the same approach: food for promises.

From Attila the Hun, the Barbary Pirates, to the Japanese and Hitler, appeasement has never worked. [In the case of Japan prior to WW-II, we ignored them, which is just another form of appeasement.] It never will because it requires reasonable people on both sides.
Communism will not work because it depends on a constant flow of capital from free countries. Sending them food for promises is the same as feeding a weed.

I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know it is not more of the same failed policies of the past. Here are some salient quotes from the father of appeasement, Neville Chamberlain:
“…I want to say that the settlement of the Czechoslovak problem which has now been achieved is, in my view, only a prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace.”
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“I got the impression he could be trusted.” [comment about Hitler]
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“Everything would have worked fine if only Hitler hadn’t lied to me.” [Reported to have been said on his deathbed.]
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GaryTaylor said:
Exactly as we are. I watched a documentary on Kim Jong Un recently, I didn’t realize he has a large influence by the West and still many friends from college in the West. Perhaps its a good sign. The question really is how much is he really in control. I’m not sure anyone knows for sure.
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Hopefully he stays away from the Cognac!!

It’s in everyone’s best interest to keep things steady as she goes right now. I say it’s great for us to send them food and if they start acting like wackos again to re-think the situation.

A callapse of the regime would be pretty destabilizing to the region at this point.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Exactly as we are. I watched a documentary on Kim Jong Un recently, I didn’t realize he has a large influence by the West and still many friends from college in the West. Perhaps its a good sign. The question really is how much is he really in control. I’m not sure anyone knows for sure.
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Since when has “western” meant civilized?
 
sedonaman said:
Let’s see. President Clinton agreed to give NK some nuclear technology in exchange for a promise that they wouldn’t use it to build weapons. The Clinton administration pledged all sorts of things, including massive donations of taxpayers’ money, in return for North Korea’s pledge to give up its weapons program. Almost from day one, the North Koreans secretly resumed their nuclear weapons development program, completely undetected by the “sensitive” Clinton administration, and they have been building weapons ever since. I vaguely recall that SK gave NK food aid also, and it got them nowhere. Now, Hillary Clinton is deluding herself with the same approach: food for promises.

From Attila the Hun, the Barbary Pirates, to the Japanese and Hitler, appeasement has never worked. [In the case of Japan prior to WW-II, we ignored them, which is just another form of appeasement.] It never will because it requires reasonable people on both sides.
Communism will not work because it depends on a constant flow of capital from free countries. Sending them food for promises is the same as feeding a weed.

**I don’t know what the answer is, **but I do know it is not more of the same failed policies of the past. Here are some salient quotes from the father of appeasement, Neville Chamberlain:
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So much cheap , negative talk always…damned if you do and damned if you don’t, always an oppositions mantra , at least you admit you don’t know the answer.:cool:
Peace, Carlan
 
sedonaman said:
Let’s see. President Clinton agreed to give NK some nuclear technology in exchange for a promise that they wouldn’t use it to build weapons. The Clinton administration pledged all sorts of things, including massive donations of taxpayers’ money, in return for North Korea’s pledge to give up its weapons program.
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Significant progress was made and North Korea did suspend its nuclear weapons program until the Republicans sabotaged the agreement and Kim Jong-Il realized that the US and KEDO would never live up to their part of the bargain. The US was warned that its violations of the agreement would result in the resumption of nuclear weapons development.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Significant progress was made and North Korea did suspend its nuclear weapons program until the Republicans sabotaged the agreement and Kim Jong-Il realized that the US and KEDO would never live up to their part of the bargain. The US was warned that its violations of the agreement would result in the resumption of nuclear weapons development.
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And how did Kim Jong Il ‘realize’ this? Sounds like speculation.

Do you ever cease at Republican pot-shots?:rolleyes:
 
iamrefreshed said:
And how did Kim Jong Il ‘realize’ this? Sounds like speculation.
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Funding for U.S. commitments in the Agreed Framework was slashed when the Republicans took control of Congress and openly opposed it. That and the US never made good on any of its commitments.
 
sedonaman said:
We’ve gone through this exercise many times before with different despotic regimes, and it always plays out the same: we lose.
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We’ve been “losing” the battle with North Korea since the 1950s: as we spent millions guaranteeing the peace on the Korean Peninsula, N. Korea has remained an isolated pariah state that can’t feed its citizens and S. Korea has enjoyed an economic resurgence as one of the economic powerhouses in Asia – and a strong ally of the U.S. We should lose more battles like this one.
 
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