Not a single genuine leather RSVCE?

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Hi Everyone,

Hope this is the right place to post this… if not, please move as required 🙂

Firstly, I really love beautiful, made to last a lifetime bibles 🙂

I’ve searched seemingly everywhere on the internet and I can not find a single RSV-CE in genuine leather. There are a few bonded leather versions but I really like the genuine leather feel and quality. I see some very nice DR genuine leather bibles but no RSV-CE. Is there just no demand? The priest at the parish I’ve started going to said RSVCE is the way to go.

Now, I think I understand the differences between the DR and RSVCE (they’ve been discussed here 1000 times and I’ve read the threads). But I do like the KJV and so I was thinking of getting the Haydock DR to satisfy that desire - as well I’ve read the commentary is excellent.

The Priest also suggested I get the (I think) Jerusalem Bible as a study bible.

I’m nearly at the point of just getting a nice genuine leather DR (I enjoy the language of KJV so I think I’ll enjoy this)

What do you think? Will someone new to the church be lost without the RSVCE? Should I just cave and get a bonded leather version? Is the JB a good study bible?

Thanks in advance for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
LeapIntoFaith said:
Hi Everyone,

Hope this is the right place to post this… if not, please move as required 🙂

Firstly, I really love beautiful, made to last a lifetime bibles 🙂

I’ve searched seemingly everywhere on the internet and I can not find a single RSV-CE in genuine leather. There are a few bonded leather versions but I really like the genuine leather feel and quality. I see some very nice DR genuine leather bibles but no RSV-CE. Is there just no demand? The priest at the parish I’ve started going to said RSVCE is the way to go.

Now, I think I understand the differences between the DR and RSVCE (they’ve been discussed here 1000 times and I’ve read the threads). But I do like the KJV and so I was thinking of getting the Haydock DR to satisfy that desire - as well I’ve read the commentary is excellent.

The Priest also suggested I get the (I think) Jerusalem Bible as a study bible.

I’m nearly at the point of just getting a nice genuine leather DR (I enjoy the language of KJV so I think I’ll enjoy this)

What do you think? Will someone new to the church be lost without the RSVCE? Should I just cave and get a bonded leather version? Is the JB a good study bible?

Thanks in advance for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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// if you like the authorized version (kjv) and its style then go for the douai-rheims version…
 
for an excellent version of the Jerusalem Bible, see here:

cts-online.org.uk/acatalog/Our_Products_CTS_New_Catholic_Bible_21.html

Its the original Jerusalem Bible but with the Grail Psalms, the exact version of scripture we use here in the UK. Has decent notes and lots of good resources like lists of sunday and weekday readings, four maps, cross references, etc.

The description on the site is a lot more detailed than this! Its also very affordable, even with shipping to the US.

Matt
 
LeapIntoFaith said:
Hi Everyone,

Hope this is the right place to post this… if not, please move as required 🙂

Firstly, I really love beautiful, made to last a lifetime bibles 🙂

I’ve searched seemingly everywhere on the internet and I can not find a single RSV-CE in genuine leather. There are a few bonded leather versions but I really like the genuine leather feel and quality. I see some very nice DR genuine leather bibles but no RSV-CE. Is there just no demand? The priest at the parish I’ve started going to said RSVCE is the way to go.

Now, I think I understand the differences between the DR and RSVCE (they’ve been discussed here 1000 times and I’ve read the threads). But I do like the KJV and so I was thinking of getting the Haydock DR to satisfy that desire - as well I’ve read the commentary is excellent.

The Priest also suggested I get the (I think) Jerusalem Bible as a study bible.

I’m nearly at the point of just getting a nice genuine leather DR (I enjoy the language of KJV so I think I’ll enjoy this)

What do you think? Will someone new to the church be lost without the RSVCE? Should I just cave and get a bonded leather version? Is the JB a good study bible?

Thanks in advance for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Hey I think I found what your looking for 😃 God Bless Google

The Revised Standard Version: Catholic Bible Reader’s Edition genuine leather black thumb indexed

Douay-Rheims Bible Genuine Black Leather Hardcover

The New American Bible, Large Print Edition, Genuine Leather, Thumb Indexed, Black

Just curious whats the difference between bonded & genuine leather Bibles? There is defiantly a price difference
 
Thanks everyone for the links and suggestions. In the end I ordered the following:

RSVCE Readers Edition (Oxford)
amazon.com/gp/product/0195288653

Douay Rheims (Baronius)
amazon.com/Douay-Rheims-Bible-Standard-Flexible-colour/dp/0954563115/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228913389&sr=1-1

Catechism of the Catholic Church: Second Edition
amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-Second-U-S/dp/0385508190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228914052&sr=1-1

And finally, my first ever Dummies book 🙂
amazon.com/Catholicism-Dummies-John-Trigilio/dp/0764553917/ref=pd_sim_b_2

These will be my home study guides until I can start RCIA 2009/2010 😃

Oh - RosaryGirl - the difference is between Bonded Leather and Genuine Leather is like the difference between Laminated Floors and Real Hardwood 😛 … Laminated looks mostly nice but will never last as long as real hardwood. And when you get up close and personal, it looks and feels different too. A bit of snobbery I suppose but I figure if I must indulge a bible is the way to do it :o
 
RosaryGirl_777 said:
Just curious whats the difference between bonded & genuine leather Bibles? There is defiantly a price difference
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Genuine leather is just that: the animal hide that has really been turned into leather.

Bonded leather is still leather, but consists of leather fibers bonded with a bonding agent, such as latex or some similar material. The leather fibers are gathered from leftovers or scrap from genuine leather processing. It’s almost as good as genuine leather, but is cheaper. However, the discerning eye can tell the difference.
 
porthos11 said:
Genuine leather is just that: the animal hide that has really been turned into leather.

Bonded leather is still leather, but consists of leather fibers bonded with a bonding agent, such as latex or some similar material. The leather fibers are gathered from leftovers or scrap from genuine leather processing. It’s almost as good as genuine leather, but is cheaper. However, the discerning eye can tell the difference.
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That explains why one of my bounded leather Bibles has some of the leather fibers wearing off 🙂 ( Do Genuine leather Bibles have the same problem)
 
RosaryGirl_777 said:
That explains why one of my bounded leather Bibles has some of the leather fibers wearing off 🙂 ( Do Genuine leather Bibles have the same problem)
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Eventually, due to wear. However, it takes much, much longer. A small amount of leather care product may also help nourish genuine leather, extending its life. Genuine leather can easily last a lifetime.
 
porthos11 said:
Eventually, due to wear. However, it takes much, much longer. A small amount of leather care product may also help nourish genuine leather, extending its life. Genuine leather can easily last a lifetime.
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Good to know 🙂 Thanks
 
porthos11 said:
Eventually, due to wear. However, it takes much, much longer. A small amount of leather care product may also help nourish genuine leather, extending its life. Genuine leather can easily last a lifetime.
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// very interesting…thank you for mentioning this since i will be purchasing flexible leather bibles from now on…
// may i ask what kind of product is recommended?
 
I usually don’t like book covers, but these leather covers here look real interesting. Very reasonable price too.

The cover on my paperback CCC is getting kind of bent & dogearred, been thinking of ordering one. I love the feel of holding a soft leather bound book, like my bible.
 
Light_Seeker said:
I usually don’t like book covers, but these leather covers here look real interesting. Very reasonable price too.

The cover on my paperback CCC is getting kind of bent & dogearred, been thinking of ordering one. I love the feel of holding a soft leather bound book, like my bible.
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Very nice. I might try making one of these. 👍
 
LeapIntoFaith said:
Thanks everyone for the links and suggestions. In the end I ordered the following:

RSVCE Readers Edition (Oxford)
amazon.com/gp/product/0195288653

Douay Rheims (Baronius)
amazon.com/Douay-Rheims-Bible-Standard-Flexible-colour/dp/0954563115/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228913389&sr=1-1

Catechism of the Catholic Church: Second Edition
amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-Second-U-S/dp/0385508190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228914052&sr=1-1

And finally, my first ever Dummies book 🙂
amazon.com/Catholicism-Dummies-John-Trigilio/dp/0764553917/ref=pd_sim_b_2

These will be my home study guides until I can start RCIA 2009/2010 😃

Oh - RosaryGirl - the difference is between Bonded Leather and Genuine Leather is like the difference between Laminated Floors and Real Hardwood 😛 … Laminated looks mostly nice but will never last as long as real hardwood. And when you get up close and personal, it looks and feels different too. A bit of snobbery I suppose but I figure if I must indulge a bible is the way to do it :o
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Just an update. The Baronius Press Bibles are NO LONGER MADE OF GENUINE LEATHER. I just purchased a supposedly ‘leather bound’ version:
amazon.com/gp/product/0954563115

…and upon receiving it I was shocked by the cheap feel and appearance of the ‘leather’ binding. :eek: I contacted Baronius Press directly and they confirmed that their Bibles are no longer made of genuine leather, but cheaper bonded leather. I do not know when this transition to cheaper bonded leather happened, but I believe it was a recent change. Strangely the price is still the same as the older genuine leather versions.

Interestingly enough Baronius used to extol the virtues of their ‘real Moroccan Leather Bibles’. Here’s a snipped from a site that has not updated their description yet:

"No Bible should ever be covered in cheap materials. The Holy Word of God should only be covered in elegant, long-lasting materials such as leather.

When choosing the covering material for our Bible, we were faced with two options: either to use bonded leather which is cheap (and would enable us to advertise our edition as “leather bound”), or real leather at many times the cost. Needless to say, for such an edition, there was no option but to use real Moroccan leather.

Real Moroccan leather is excellent, strong and hard-wearing. For hundreds of years Moroccan leather has been dyed on the grain side and boarded by hand or machine to bring up the grain in a bird’s-eye effect. It probably originated with the Arabs in North Africa as an alum-tanned product, typically dyed red. Hard, but pliable, it is valued especially for high quality bookbinding where durability and beauty are prized.

Bonded leather is made from waste leather cuts that are grated and bonded together with latex, then embossed to provide a “genuine leather” look. A bonded leather Bible generally lasts about 10 years under “normal” conditions. We often hear of cheap Bibles that have a problem with the leather “chipping” (usually around the edges). Unfortunately, this is a rather typical occurrence for bonded leather Bibles as the latex disintegrates, which is why the Baronius edition uses only the finest Moroccan real leather. "

Oh, well…back to Amazon it goes. I will try to find a good old second-hand Douay Rheims from the 50’s.

David
 
dkushner said:
Just an update. The Baronius Press Bibles are NO LONGER MADE OF GENUINE LEATHER. I just purchased a supposedly ‘leather bound’ version:
amazon.com/gp/product/0954563115

…and upon receiving it I was shocked by the cheap feel and appearance of the ‘leather’ binding. :eek: I contacted Baronius Press directly and they confirmed that their Bibles are no longer made of genuine leather, but cheaper bonded leather. I do not know when this transition to cheaper bonded leather happened, but I believe it was a recent change. Strangely the price is still the same as the older genuine leather versions.

Interestingly enough Baronius used to extol the virtues of their ‘real Moroccan Leather Bibles’. Here’s a snipped from a site that has not updated their description yet:

"No Bible should ever be covered in cheap materials. The Holy Word of God should only be covered in elegant, long-lasting materials such as leather.

When choosing the covering material for our Bible, we were faced with two options: either to use bonded leather which is cheap (and would enable us to advertise our edition as “leather bound”), or real leather at many times the cost. Needless to say, for such an edition, there was no option but to use real Moroccan leather.

Real Moroccan leather is excellent, strong and hard-wearing. For hundreds of years Moroccan leather has been dyed on the grain side and boarded by hand or machine to bring up the grain in a bird’s-eye effect. It probably originated with the Arabs in North Africa as an alum-tanned product, typically dyed red. Hard, but pliable, it is valued especially for high quality bookbinding where durability and beauty are prized.

Bonded leather is made from waste leather cuts that are grated and bonded together with latex, then embossed to provide a “genuine leather” look. A bonded leather Bible generally lasts about 10 years under “normal” conditions. We often hear of cheap Bibles that have a problem with the leather “chipping” (usually around the edges). Unfortunately, this is a rather typical occurrence for bonded leather Bibles as the latex disintegrates, which is why the Baronius edition uses only the finest Moroccan real leather. "

Oh, well…back to Amazon it goes. I will try to find a good old second-hand Douay Rheims from the 50’s.

David
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// are you serious? :mad:
 
You are aware that any competent bookbinder can rebind any book in any sort of leather with any sort of tooling that suits your fancy, right? I have rebound and restored several old leather bibles. Check the interwebs under bookbinder. 🙂
 
AmbroseSJ said:
You are aware that any competent bookbinder can rebind any book in any sort of leather with any sort of tooling that suits your fancy, right? I have rebound and restored several old leather bibles. Check the interwebs under bookbinder. 🙂
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Thank-you AmbroseSJ. Yes, I am aware of several bookbinders that can do the job, but I’d rather buy a Bible that is made of quality Genuine Leather (not bonded leather) in the first place. My new Oxford University Press RSV-CE Reader’s Edition is made of Genuine Leather, and it cost about $20.00 less than the cheap bonded leather Baronius Douay-Rheims.

I only brought this issue to the forum to help others - so that they would not also be deceived by the incorrect information on many Baronius reseller websites incorrectly stating that their Bibles are ‘genuine Moroccan leather’ when they are in fact made of inferior (IMHO) bonded leather.

Regards
David
 
dkushner,

Yes, the RSVCE Oxford edition you mention is really the only one I know of that is made in Genuine Leather. Its a nice edition, although a little light on the extras.

To be honest, one of my main complaints about most Catholic Bibles is that there are very few well produced genuine leather editions available. Too often, no matter the translation, the Bible is made in bonded or some other inferior leather cover. It is really a shame!

The nicest Bible I own is a French Moroccan leather edition of the NRSV: amazon.com/Reference-Apocrypha-French-Morocco-NR563XA/dp/0521681316
 
dkushner said:
Thank-you AmbroseSJ. Yes, I am aware of several bookbinders that can do the job, but I’d rather buy a Bible that is made of quality Genuine Leather (not bonded leather) in the first place. My new Oxford University Press RSV-CE Reader’s Edition is made of Genuine Leather, and it cost about $20.00 less than the cheap bonded leather Baronius Douay-Rheims.

I only brought this issue to the forum to help others - so that they would not also be deceived by the incorrect information on many Baronius reseller websites incorrectly stating that their Bibles are ‘genuine Moroccan leather’ when they are in fact made of inferior (IMHO) bonded leather.

Regards
David
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Oops, sorry. I hadn’t read from the beginning of the thread, or else I would have understood better. :o
 
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